the other site

[lapeer20m]

did you get banned from schoolbusnuts? The moderator of that site is quite opinionated

[Steve]

Yep, I just checked I guess I did. I just wondered why my link had been removed. I haven't done anything else. I never even posted any pictures, don't know why he was yelling at me for that. I guess he thought the Strayhound was mine.

[lapeer20m]

Just so you know, i stood up for you and your site. Possibly at the cost of getting banned myself. No matter the consequenses, i think it was worth it. He does not have good people skills.....and your site rocks, especially the lack of advertisements.

[Steve]

I read what you said on there Jason. Thanks. I don't know how easy it is to see what one person posts but when I first found that site I posted a lot of information that I learned while doing my bus. It's true that since I started my site I have posted little on the other site. Mostly because if it isn't relevant to him then don't post it. The episode back in December when I posted to come here and post your pictures in the gallery was because he was bitching at everyone because their photos where too big. Much like he is doing every day now.



As for me posting pictures that were too big I don't think I have ever put anything up there in the photos or files section. I still think he is confusing me with Strayhound. Oh well... he can think what he wants.



As for the rest of you who are also banned from there, I don't know why you were banned, but nothing posted here has ever been a problem. Must just be easy to get on his bad side.

[Les Lampman]

Steve,



I you think about it, the only reason to get banned from a publicly available site should only be related to profane or abusive language or (maybe) posting consistently off-topic (but most on-line groups have a place to do that).



I've founded and moderated a couple of successful (and on-going) groups and have been invoved in many for several years. The best and most active of the groups have always shared in common a "no rules, just be nice" philosophy; the groups are essentially self-regulating; the moderator/owner/manager only steps in to git rid of spam. Things that stretch the limits are usually dealt with in private emails between the moderator and offender and not made a public spectacle.



In my (maybe not so humble) opinion a moderator/owner/manager that excercises his/her "powers" publicly on the group's message board is more into inflating his/her own ego and establishing a "kingdom"; it's not really about having an open, self-regulating group that functions without much interference. Peer pressure is awesome and carries much more weight that one person (even if it is the owner of the group) "yelling loudly" in publicly displayed messages.



Anyone starting a group to which any member of the on-line public can join, without invitation and without qualification must realize that the group will be composed of a broad cross-section of the public and therefore embrace many personalities, even if all share a common interest in the group's reason for being. If one wants a kingdom (or dictatorship) that group ought to be a closed group joined only by approval or invitation; at least that way the person joining knows what rules one is going to live by.



I didn't get banned from the other site (probably only a matter of time if I had stayed; not because of anything I said but rather because of what I would have said) but choose to leave and come here when faced with the abusive nature of that group's owner. This is so much nicer!

[Eric von Kleist]

Ever see the Soup Nazi on Seinfeld.



I went to the site. Interesting. The moderator has a very......ancient Egyptian.....attitude. Not only does he ban people, but after banning them he deletes all their previous posts, kind of like the pharoahs chiseling the images of competing, defeated pharoahs from monuments.

[EldoMike]

Just thought you'd like to know..I just sent this to the "other" list...



Arky, I've waited on replying to you to give myself a little time to cool

down and think about what you are saying....

First off, the 'schoolbusconversionuts' group is a great group of people and

I've got way more from it then I could ever give back....your ideas of

"keep it simple stupid" have kept me from over reaching many times, thank

you for that...however(you knew there would be a however didn't you), I can

not stand by and watch you try to tear down an individual who has done

nothing wrong(except in your eyes)except try to offer another, not instead,

of place for us skoolie nuts to gather....as far as Lapeer is concerned, why

would you care what he says on Skoolie.net? Why are you even reading that

site if it's so bad.....Okay, I'm done....hope everyone here well...if

you're ever in West Tennesse and need help don't hesitate to

call(731-445-4979)...yeah, even you Arky..:-)....don't bother banning me,

I'm outa here on my own....



EldoMike



So...looks like you guys are stuck with me here....

[Les Lampman]

Hi Mike,



Good to see you over here; sorry it's under the circumstances it is but it's our good fortune to have you join us in this much more comfortable electronic clubhouse.

[lapeer20m]

I got booted from schoolbusnuts today. I'm really suprised actually. The moderator of that site and i have been chatting in e-mail, i though we had come to an understanding.



Even though i am no longer a part of the site, i still believe there is tons and tons of good info available there. I really like most of the people involved with that site.



Skoolie.net is awsome too. I love the lack of adds here, and the friendly atmosphere.

[Steve]

Too bad he has pretty much tried to erase the whole situation out of existance.

[lapeer20m]

Censorship sucks

[soused moose]

Eric , at least the ‘Soup Nazi’ on Seinfeld made such incredible soup it was worth going through the pains of getting & staying in his shop. ‘Arky’ doesn’t do anything well enough to make it worth putting up him.



Excellent Analogy about the Egyptians policy on eradicating a person from ‘History’ …Stalin was famous for doing the same thing.

He actually had people deleted from Paintings and photos …Putz.





A year or so ago I got booted from his group…after posting some info on installing a woodstove in a Bus. Lot’s of folks posted questions about my stove & thought our last Bus was good looking and such.

The next day ‘Arky’, decides to write this long & nasty post saying my info sucked and that I might want to kill myself …but HE didn’t want that kind of ‘dangerous’ info on his site.

So, I very politely posted an answer to his ‘put down’ …and he booted me.



I got a few emails from Group members saying they were sorry about me getting ‘Booted ‘and that they thought it was unfair. And they told me He did the same thing that he did to you folks and deleted any mention of me and my stove, Bus, website etc.





There’s no way to be nice or candy coat this…Bottom line is ‘Arky’s ‘ a Jerk. He’s just one of a million other Internet Bullies who’s policy is ‘it’s my way or the highway’.

He’s NOT really interested in Bus Conversions at all…he’s obviously only a childish bully who needed a forum to make himself feel important.



I hope you’re reading this ‘Arky’ , you’re just a punk and a coward who deletes anything that might let other folks know what you really are. You’re not trying to protect anyone from ‘Bad info’ …you’re just a simple-minded COWARD.



Who’s Afraid & jealous of any site or person that you think might be doing a better job than you’re doing. And you prove that you’re afraid by making sure that all mention of other ‘Ideas’ and sites that you feel compete with yours are deleted from the Groups History.



You might be able to scare a bunch of folks over on your site into believing you’re important …but in the real world, you’d be laughed out of any group for being such an obvious egotistical little Baby.

Grow Up you mean-spirited Putz.



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Sorry Folks, I Had to say this…

I hate Cowards…and I especially Hate anyone who pulls the kind of Childish garbage that ‘Arky’ does.

As far as I’m concerned Schoolie.net is the best site/forum there is …and anyone who gets Booted’ from ‘Arkys’ site is better off.

[Rick78EFI460]

I guess I'm done over there too, I am a reliable and honest professional adult who has no interest whatsoever in being moderated. I do not flame people or get unruly on public forums and do stay on topic. My last post there needed to be cleared I guess as it took overnight to show up.

[Les Lampman]

Sounds pretty much like the M.O. over there. Glad you're over here though, I think we'll see more and more folks show up.



Do you have photos of your rig? Looks pretty good in your Avatar photo. Mind positing some in a photo album here?

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Les Lampman

Do you have photos of your rig? Looks pretty good in your Avatar photo. Mind positing some in a photo album here?

I started a topic on his bus at:



Ricks Broncohaulic



.

[Rick78EFI460]

It seems I was wrong about arky, he sent me a letter to make it straight again. the text in full.....



"

you were NOT nor ever have been MODERATED on my group!

did you not read the postings by myself and other

members about the difficulties we have been

encountering due to YAHOO getting hit by a virus two

weeks ago?? the truth is you were just looking for

some excuse to show your true colors. GOOD RIDDENCE!

welcome to the losers group.

"



what a nice guy ! I wasn't being moderated aafter all !

[Steve]

Actually Rick on Feb 19, 2004 in a post titled: NOTICE to all members!



Here is what he wrote, although he probably deleted it by now.

i have decided to take even more responsibility for this group. i

have changed it to a MODERATED group. EXCEPT for SELECT members all

postings have to be approved by ME!! i have UNMODERATED more than 100

members individually. The deciding factor was NOT whether you like me

or NOT. I have restored full priveledges to many of you who have made

no qualms about dis-agreeing with me. The deciding factor WAS that

you showed a dedication to the SPIRIT of this group by informative

helpful on subject postings. i reviewed all postings and members.

this effort took me some hours. if you know of anyone i missed who

are deserving of full priveledges please bring it to my attention. i

like to think of this core group as our "BRAIN TRUST". i hope you all

accept this in the spirit in which i have done it and continue to

participate.

If you were one of those 100 unmoderated people he still had 85% of the users on a moderated basis.



And here is my favorite recent post from him: February 19, 2004

resent all you wanna. fall on the floor and kick and scream for all i

care. i don't givvachit. i OWN this group and it will be run the way

I want it run. i have posted this many times in the past. i started

this group AFTER my skoolie was complete. i didn't get anything from

anyone here. i started it for one reason... to HELP OTHERS with thier

SKOOLIES and NOTHING else.i get no pay for this service. other group

owners join associate programs where they get paid for hits on links

they post. i don't and won't. there are thousands of yahoo groups

devoted to everything you can imagine. join one of them for your

other interests.if you don't like it let me show you the door.

He's not there to help others, he's there for his own ego. No, arky doesn't get paid for the ads on his board but Yahoo does and there are a LOT of them. There is a difference between doing what is best for you and doing what is best for the community.





And since I am posting things that Arky says I might as well post why I am not longer a members since that post and all of my posts on yahoo are now deleted.

February 22, 2004

i was one of your first supporters and member #8. but i cannot

support a group that allows ANYTHING especially racsist remarks and

postings disparaging of women.regardless of your disclaimer. you run

your group your way and i'll run mine my way. the only postings of

any substance on your group either came from THIS GROUP or one of our

members.the majority of your postings are repeated info from here by

one or more of our former ( banned ) members.you are obviously just

trying to capitalise on OUR EFFORTS. i deleted your album because it

contained full size photos.

Let me know if you find anything racist on this board, I've never seen any. I sure am capitalizing on his efforts, look at all the ads on my site sending me loads of money for doing this. And about the photos he wouldn't have yell at everyone if he would have just directed everyone to the gallery at this site, where you can post any size photo you want and as many of them as you want. Not to mention they are available to everyone, not those logged into yahoo.



Okay, I'm done now, maybe I need some sleep

[soused moose]

ARRRGGGG !!!! I hate that guy …more & more as I read what you’re writing here.



Rick ? I suppose the ‘Losers Group’ crack was meant for us over here on Skoolie.net.



Get a Life Arky …you egotistical Nazi ! I imagine there’s Folks out there who might think I’m a loser …but at least I’m not so stupid and loser like to think it’s Ok to install my solar panels on the side of my bus instead of up on the roof where they’re protected from being banged about.

[Rick78EFI460]

Originally Posted by soused moose

Rick ? I suppose the ëLosers GroupÃ* crack was meant for us over here on Skoolie.net.

Yes , that's how I understand it too

[busone]

He must still be living in the first grade, come on ëLosers GroupÃ* . He has never grown up like the rest of us. He gets mad when somebody says something he does not like in his tree house. He has a fit when anyone steps on his pissing ground unless they always agree with him. He is a nut case just look at his website. What an ignorant, immature, self-centered prick. This site is much better and it does not suffer from the hacker/virus attacks that Yahoo does because it is much smaller. He can keep his yahoo group. The funny thing is every time he pisses on his members more and more will find this site and join. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.