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Old 03-02-2010, 11:12 AM   #1
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1995 Conventional school bus 59 pass

This is a listing I've been looking at, but doesn't look like it will do what I need. Maybe someone here likes it?

1995 School bus


From the mechanic, via ebay email, when asked about the oil leak:
It is leaking at the rear of the oil pan. I believe that in order to change the gasket, the front motor mounts need to be loosened. I changed one before and had to tilt the engine. --Dave

About bus details:
The full length from bumper to bumper is 32'8". From center of axel to center of axel measures 19'8". It is a 59 passenger. The GVWR is 27,500. Tires are getting worn and just inside our legal limits. Thanks,Dave

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This is a 1995 Carpenter School Bus that has been sitting as a spare and now has been decided to take out of service. It has under 183,500 miles and runs great. It is getting rusty but with straight metal sides, it could be easy to fix. All is mechanically fit but does leak oil by the oil pan. Our School bought this new and maintained it in house and has all records. This Bus has a International 444 with a auto Allison tranny and all works fine. This Bus has hydrolic brakes and they work fine. Emergency brake also works and holds fine. Clear title and vin #1HVBBABPOSH267320.
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Old 03-02-2010, 07:30 PM   #2
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Re: 1995 Conventional school bus 59 pass

Check the welds on the roof! Some Carpys had problems with them, and I recall that was in the bad-weld era.

If it's the rear main seal leaking oil, the transmission will almost certainly have to come out.
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Old 03-04-2010, 06:07 AM   #3
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Re: 1995 Conventional school bus 59 pass

Before you go crazy about the welds, take a couple minutes to check if your Bus was build at THE One Affected Assembly Plant. Even if you find that you have one of these, you can have a welder fix the problems with little effort.

Go here for the rest of the story:
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/inju...rBus/index.htm
"The buses in question are Carpenter Type A, B, C, and D school buses built in Mitchell, Indiana, prior to the plant closing in late 1995.? It appears that the buses built at Carpenter's Richmond, Indiana plant do not have similar problems."

Using the Vin that you posted, I got this information from a decoder. I dont think you have to worry.
http://www.pronto-net.com/vin_app/vin.php
VIN 1HVBBABP0SH267320
DECODED 1995 International 3800
Country UNITED STATES
Make International
Vehicle Type Bus
Model 3800
Engine Type V8, 7.3L
GVWR Class Class 7: 26,001-33,000 lb
Check Digit 0
Model Year 1995
Assy. Plant Springfield, OH
Production Seq. Number 267320
Drive Line Type 4x2
Chassis FBC Bus Chassis
Engine Manufacturer Navistar
Fuel Type Diesel/Natural Gas
Brake System Hydraulic
Vehicle Class City Transit Bus
Manufacturer Navistar International Transportation Corp.
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Old 03-04-2010, 06:32 PM   #4
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Re: 1995 Conventional school bus 59 pass

Carpy built AN ENTIRE RUN OF BUSES with bad structural welds. If you even attempt to deny this, you're being dishonest!
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Old 03-04-2010, 08:44 PM   #5
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Re: 1995 Conventional school bus 59 pass

OK, I admit it: calling all Carpy's junk was a bit much.

HOWEVER! Fact: Carpenter had a big run of buses from one of their plants (Indiana, IIRC) with bad welds. Fact: Carpenter has since folded...and it wasn't because they sold good buses! Fact: anyone who owns a Carpy should check the roof welds VERY CAREFULLY!
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Re: 1995 Conventional school bus 59 pass

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Using the Vin that you posted, I got this information from a decoder. I dont think you have to worry.
http://www.pronto-net.com/vin_app/vin.php
VIN 1HVBBABP0SH267320
DECODED 1995 International 3800
Country UNITED STATES
Make International
Vehicle Type Bus
Model 3800
Engine Type V8, 7.3L
GVWR Class Class 7: 26,001-33,000 lb
Check Digit 0
Model Year 1995
Assy. Plant Springfield, OH
Production Seq. Number 267320
Drive Line Type 4x2
Chassis FBC Bus Chassis
Engine Manufacturer Navistar
Fuel Type Diesel/Natural Gas
Brake System Hydraulic
Vehicle Class City Transit Bus
Manufacturer Navistar International Transportation Corp.
Just so you know, Springfield is where the International chassis was built, but the roof weld issue depends on the body assembly plant. All conventionals until about 10 years ago were built as separate body and chassis, by different companies. The VIN is assigned by the chassis manufacturer, so any VIN information would only apply to the chassis.
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Re: 1995 Conventional school bus 59 pass

I would rather roll a Carpenter with bad roof welds than a stick-and-staple motorhome any day! We need to remember that the standards by which school buses are built are extremely strict because they hold 70 or so children at a time. That is a LOT of liability!
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