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Old 03-26-2013, 11:52 AM   #11
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Re: 1998 D444E not turning over

Sounds more like a bad ground to me.
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Re: 1998 D444E not turning over

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Sounds more like a bad ground to me.
Starters are grounded through the block and the current only flows one way through them. You would never see a difference in behavior from an open/compromised ground versus an open/compromised power side. This is different from other things like power windows which reverse current through the switches or computers which, lacking a proper ground, can overlay voltages on network wires to other modules on the vehicle.

A loaded voltage drop test will quickly diagnose a bad ground or power. With someone turning the key to the "start" position (VERY important...current must be flowing for this test), put the red meter lead on the battery positive post and the negative meter lead on the huge battery cable on the starter. You have created a parallel path so you should see no voltage. Any voltage that is present is voltage taking a path of lower resistance. I wouldn't be surprised if you saw .5 volts on the power side but if your meter is indicating more you have excessive resistance on the hot side. If it reads battery voltage your solenoid is not working, be it because of a lack of signal from the key or a faulty solenoid itself.

If the power side passes, perform the same test on the ground side by putting the red meter lead on the body of the starter (get a clean spot) and the black lead on the negative post of the battery. Again, .5 volts or so is normal.
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Re: 1998 D444E not turning over

OK, the weather finally has given me a break. So reinstalled the batteries and every light, horn and accessory worked but still would not even try to turn over. Shorted the starter, and other than it throwing some major sparks nothing. Applied my trusty hammer and still nothing. Did a little thinking for a change and though what if it was just a car and it did this. Long story shot the gear selector said it was in neutral but when I tried to move it - it was frozen. Went down to the tranny shifter lever and move it a bit and it fired right up. Apparently it was not making contact with a safety switch. Live and learn. Now to find a replacement cable! Thanks everyone for the help!
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OK, the weather finally has given me a break. So reinstalled the batteries and every light, horn and accessory worked but still would not even try to turn over. Shorted the starter, and other than it throwing some major sparks nothing. Applied my trusty hammer and still nothing. Did a little thinking for a change and though what if it was just a car and it did this. Long story shot the gear selector said it was in neutral but when I tried to move it - it was frozen. Went down to the tranny shifter lever and move it a bit and it fired right up. Apparently it was not making contact with a safety switch. Live and learn. Now to find a replacement cable! Thanks everyone for the help!

So what you're saying is you used a hammer on your neutral safety switch. I win. When can I expect the beer?
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