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09-02-2016, 06:06 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2016
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Bi fold air door replacement (single fold air door?)
I'm looking at replacing the bi fold air door on my bus, but I would like to keep the air actuator/piston assembly intact and just relocate it further towards the door and reverse the lines so the original "close" position is now open and vice versa. Are there any decent replacement doors out there or would I best off just fabbing it up. And where can I get a good solid rv lock/handle assembly? Tips and links appreciated.
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09-02-2016, 07:28 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Oklahoma aka "God's blind spot"
Posts: 2,446
Year: 1989
Coachwork: 1853FC International/Navistar
Chassis: 35' Retired Air Force Ambulance
Engine: DT466, MT643
Rated Cap: 6 souls and a driver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ntrain6942
I'm looking at replacing the bi fold air door on my bus, but I would like to keep the air actuator/piston assembly intact and just relocate it further towards the door and reverse the lines so the original "close" position is now open and vice versa. Are there any decent replacement doors out there or would I best off just fabbing it up. And where can I get a good solid rv lock/handle assembly? Tips and links appreciated.
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Can you post a picture of your door? Or give us a clue what it's on...
I flipped my leading edge (hinge side) piano hinge, braced across the center fold, and added a door lock that's operated on both sides. Only thing that could make me happier is a key fob activated deadbolt cylinder! Chirp chirp
http://www.skoolie.net/forums/f27/lo...ors-14494.html
Are you full timing it?
If so, how do you plan to open it daily? Mine was a pain because it would not exhaust the air fast enough when I pushed the door open or closed... Negating the air cylinder.
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09-02-2016, 07:50 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Andrews,Indiana
Posts: 2,430
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: AARE
Engine: 3116 Cat 250hp
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Only thing that could make me happier is a key fob activated deadbolt cylinder!
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That's pretty easy, RC or Bluetooth from phone or both.
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09-02-2016, 07:51 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Oklahoma aka "God's blind spot"
Posts: 2,446
Year: 1989
Coachwork: 1853FC International/Navistar
Chassis: 35' Retired Air Force Ambulance
Engine: DT466, MT643
Rated Cap: 6 souls and a driver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by somewhereinusa
That's pretty easy, RC or Bluetooth from phone or both.
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09-02-2016, 08:04 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by milkmania
Can you post a picture of your door? Or give us a clue what it's on...
I flipped my leading edge (hinge side) piano hinge, braced across the center fold, and added a door lock that's operated on both sides. Only thing that could make me happier is a key fob activated deadbolt cylinder! Chirp chirp
http://www.skoolie.net/forums/f27/lo...ors-14494.html
Are you full timing it?
If so, how do you plan to open it daily? Mine was a pain because it would not exhaust the air fast enough when I pushed the door open or closed... Negating the air cylinder.
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Pic of door/bus.
Yes, Ill be full timing it 4 seasons, on a piece of property I just bought in the mtns. So cold winters.
Basically looking at pulling door fully, moving the air cylinder closer towards the door, reversiong the air cylinder action and using a regular swing out door. Even if I have to fabricate it. I want it to be well insulated, so if I fabbed it, there would be a rubber moulding trim going around the frame of the door to seal out drafts.
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09-02-2016, 08:11 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Oklahoma aka "God's blind spot"
Posts: 2,446
Year: 1989
Coachwork: 1853FC International/Navistar
Chassis: 35' Retired Air Force Ambulance
Engine: DT466, MT643
Rated Cap: 6 souls and a driver
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Dont wanr airtigt
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09-02-2016, 08:25 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2016
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Quote:
Originally Posted by milkmania
Dont wanr airtigt
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Why not?
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09-02-2016, 08:41 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Oklahoma aka "God's blind spot"
Posts: 2,446
Year: 1989
Coachwork: 1853FC International/Navistar
Chassis: 35' Retired Air Force Ambulance
Engine: DT466, MT643
Rated Cap: 6 souls and a driver
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Houses breathe
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09-02-2016, 08:41 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Oklahoma aka "God's blind spot"
Posts: 2,446
Year: 1989
Coachwork: 1853FC International/Navistar
Chassis: 35' Retired Air Force Ambulance
Engine: DT466, MT643
Rated Cap: 6 souls and a driver
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Condindsation
Evaprtation
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09-02-2016, 09:33 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2016
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Quote:
Originally Posted by milkmania
Condindsation
Evaprtation
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I was going to be running a wood stove.........dry heat.
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09-02-2016, 09:34 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 53
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Originally Posted by milkmania
Houses breathe
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Agreed, but so will the stock schoolbus windows ill be forced to use this upcoming winter.
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09-03-2016, 11:30 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Oklahoma aka "God's blind spot"
Posts: 2,446
Year: 1989
Coachwork: 1853FC International/Navistar
Chassis: 35' Retired Air Force Ambulance
Engine: DT466, MT643
Rated Cap: 6 souls and a driver
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Sorry bout my compromised postings last night... 10 months without a drink is a long time!
But,
Even with a wood stove, you don't want an air tight bus.... Wood stove needs oxygen. It's gotta pull it in from somewhere.
I'm not talking about 2 inch holes in the walls, but my reasoning is that the stove has to draft... It's drafting the air in the room, and if it's airtight... It's creating a vacuum. If it can't draft, it's not going to burn clean.
My meat smoker hardly has any visible smoke coming out the chimney, because I've fine tuned the drafting for a cleaner and more efficient burn. Thereby sending more oxygen and burnt wood out the chimney.
I know it's as simple as opening a window a little bit, but it seems like money wasted sealing up door edges tight.
Maybe I'm way off base here, I know we're trying to warm up the inside of a tin can.
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09-03-2016, 12:02 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2016
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Quote:
Originally Posted by milkmania
Sorry bout my compromised postings last night... 10 months without a drink is a long time!
But,
Even with a wood stove, you don't want an air tight bus.... Wood stove needs oxygen. It's gotta pull it in from somewhere.
I'm not talking about 2 inch holes in the walls, but my reasoning is that the stove has to draft... It's drafting the air in the room, and if it's airtight... It's creating a vacuum. If it can't draft, it's not going to burn clean.
My meat smoker hardly has any visible smoke coming out the chimney, because I've fine tuned the drafting for a cleaner and more efficient burn. Thereby sending more oxygen and burnt wood out the chimney.
I know it's as simple as opening a window a little bit, but it seems like money wasted sealing up door edges tight.
Maybe I'm way off base here, I know we're trying to warm up the inside of a tin can.
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Haha! No I getcha. I'm learning on the fly here and am taking all advice and opinions I can get. I am logic driven so the more input the better.
As for the stove this is the one I'm looking at(just cant pay $2k plus for a stove atm, sticker shock on an iron/steel box with a simple hinged door is insane.): Cubic Mini Wood Stoves - CB-1210 GRIZZLY Cubic Mini Wood Stove
As for how it was going to draft I was thinking about using this: Cubic Mini Wood Stoves - CB-2277-SS Stainless Steel Wall Mount with Fresh Air Intake
A SS wall mount with a draft plate underneath with a 2" flex hose that draws cold air in from the outside. Thoughts? Its really compact and states good for up to 400sq. My bus is about 250sq. inside floor. If the 2 in diameter draft plate underneath is good enough(I could even add an all weather brushless 12v fan to help draw cold air in), the having a good weather tight door would be good I would imagine, especially since I'm reusing most of the original bus windows this winter until I can replace with some nice RV windows.
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09-04-2016, 12:28 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2014
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Year: 1998
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Chassis: TC2000 RE
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I built a replacement one piece door. I didn't change the geometry of the ram or pivot rod that the bifold door actuated with, just the locations of the air lines like you mentioned.
It was a fair amount of work, I built a custom hidden hinge and some other bits. Check the broccoli bus build some pages back for details. It uses an automotive style bearclaw latch to hold the door closed and lock, with pneumatic piston to unlatch the door (or just a handle for manual operation)
I've replaced the manual door open/close valve with a solenoid one so it can all be opened, closed, locked and unlocked from a keyfob, or switch to manual non powered operation like a normal rv door.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ntrain6942
I'm looking at replacing the bi fold air door on my bus, but I would like to keep the air actuator/piston assembly intact and just relocate it further towards the door and reverse the lines so the original "close" position is now open and vice versa. Are there any decent replacement doors out there or would I best off just fabbing it up. And where can I get a good solid rv lock/handle assembly? Tips and links appreciated.
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