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Old 11-06-2004, 08:13 PM   #11
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Not trying to ruffle any feathers, but theres a huge difference between a RV and a tractor trailer unit. A lot of motors used in skoolies would not suit any HD application, a converted bus is another story. The mechanics I know in the bus barns here ( I am a mechanic by trade, we all get along ) absolutely hate the 3208s and wish upon wish that all the buses came with 7.3s. The guys with the 5.9s that I do work on use their trucks in construction, hauling heavy loads, towing loaders, trailers loaded with concrete forms etc. that easily outweigh a bus, but not so heavy to need a tractor trailer unit. Based on my first hand personal and professional opinion, I would not shy away from a 5.9 cummins.
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Old 11-07-2004, 12:40 AM   #12
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I would also agree that hte 5.9 cummings is a poor engine for skoolies. It is an excellent pick-up truck engine however!

I dont' think i'd buy a bus with a 5.9
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Old 11-07-2004, 02:22 PM   #13
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If you want first hand info email Greg and ask him what he thinks about them. He has only been buying and selling skoolies for 30 years. mailto:GregArchambault@yahoo.com Take a look on Ebay right now there is a bunch of buses "2001 Champion CTS 28 Passenger 30 Ft. Medium Duty Bus" almost all of them have a new fuel pump and under 200k miles. Those engines are for light duty applications. My buddy who worked for the local school bus garage for 20 years also said the same things about them. If the dodge pickup was so great at hauling 30,000LBS then why does anybody buy a medium duty rig with air brakes. I suppose you also think hydraulic brakes are just fine for heavy duty applications as well? Maybe all those truckers are just plain stupid for wanting an M11 or series 60, why not just sell their tractors for a dodge pickup to make long haul runs?
The lift pump is a well-known (and fairly easy to fix) problem with the ISB. The upgraded pump is a permenent fix.

Hotshotters use pickups (Rams & Ford Super Duties) simply because they're about half the cost of an MDT to buy, half the cost to tag, half the cost to insure, & use less fuel. I see them almost every day--about evenly spilt between extended-cab Ram 3500's & crewcab F-450's & 550's, almost exclusively diesels, tagged for 25-30,000lbs, pulling big 3-axle goosenecks holding anywhere from 3 to 5 cars.
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Old 11-07-2004, 02:24 PM   #14
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I would also agree that hte 5.9 cummins is a poor engine for skoolies. It is an excellent pick-up truck engine however!

I dont' think i'd buy a bus with a 5.9
Yeah--an engine capable of 500+HP with only bolt-ons (and 350-400 with only a reprogrammed computer) is a terrible thing. A DT466 would be nice, but that or an ISC (8.3 Cummins) are about the only engines I'd take over an 6BT or ISB.
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Old 11-07-2004, 03:32 PM   #15
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I agree about the 8.3 and DT466, I love the 8.3 my friend that worked at the bus garage took me for a ride on a 1998 Bluebird AARE with the 8.3. That thing was nice and the power was awsome. You could really hear the turbo wind up like in a big rig. Someday I want to get an old bus with a DT466 and make it into a pickup type truck to haul stuff like firewood.
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