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Old 09-24-2004, 04:15 PM   #1
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Bluebird TC2000 - good bus?

Hi Everyone,

I'll be in the market for a bus after the holidays. I've been thinking that I like the Bluebird TC2000 and I have seen lots of them in the 3-5K range. What do people think of this bus?

What about the All American? is the AA and older design?

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Old 10-14-2004, 01:03 AM   #2
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I rode to school in one for 2 years...had plenty of getup and go when loaded.
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Old 10-14-2004, 07:38 PM   #3
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The TC2000 is the low end of the transit BB buses. Most have the Cummins 5.9 with an AT545 which is just an "ok" drive train. The All American is BB's top of the line bus. You will find better drivetrain setups and have a better resale value. You can easily find an All American with a Cummins 8.3 or Cat 3208/3116 coupled to an Allison MT643 tranny. If you still want a nice transit bus without the BB name I would go with a Thomas Saf-T-Liner. They are just about the same as the AA without the big price. You will also be able to find the same drive train that the BB AA has. HTH
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Old 11-04-2004, 12:42 PM   #4
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Thanks! So far my favorite is a rear engine Thomas with a 3208 CAT engine. However, I don't know if I be able to find one close enough to home. In Mass. I need to do significant work to re-title as a motor home to register so delivery to my home is a must. There are lots of TC2000's around locally.

What about rust? Are the TC2000s all galvanized steel?

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Old 11-05-2004, 10:12 AM   #5
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I'd have NO problem with a 5.9 Cummins ISB, even in a 40' FC Bird. Any dealer can uprate them to ~275-300HP (and the Dodge truck crowd can double that without much trouble), & still have an engine that will go 300,000+ miles. The 5.9 may be the most overbuilt diesel in production.

The 545 SUCKS, though--the AT500 is much better (we have both at work).
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Old 11-05-2004, 11:43 AM   #6
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Well that's good to hear - I read a thread on the CAT 3208 on another site that said that that engine was manufactured with oval pistons that didn't round out until the engine had run for a while and that typical school bus duty cycles could cause the cylinder walls to wear unevenly and the engine to loose compression.

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The CAT 3208 holds up fine in school bus service. It does not have wet sleeves so rebuilding is not cheap. It like the Cummins 5.9 is a throw away but unlike the 5.9 it is designed for heavy use. I totally disagree about the 5.9 being a good bus engine. They simply do not hold up in bus service. The 5.9 is a light duty pickup engine. If you are looking for a Thomas with the CAT 3208 check with Greg. He has one on his website and he will deliver his buses. I very highly reccommend him he knows a good bus when he sees one and does not sell crap. I included his website addy.

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The CAT 3208 holds up fine in school bus service. It does not have wet sleeves so rebuilding is not cheap. It like the Cummins 5.9 is a throw away but unlike the 5.9 it is designed for heavy use. I totally disagree about the 5.9 being a good bus engine. They simply do not hold up in bus service. The 5.9 is a light duty pickup engine. If you are looking for a Thomas with the CAT 3208 check with Greg. He has one on his website and he will deliver his buses. I very highly reccommend him he knows a good bus when he sees one and does not sell crap. I included his website addy.

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100% complete, total, and unadulterated crap. The 5.9 Cummins B/ISB may be the most overbuilt engine ever produced. We have six at work (3 6BT's, 3 ISB's), all with 75,000+ miles (one 6BT with 120,000+, one ISB with 99K), on buses that see some brutal city use. Averaging 10MPH is rare--we have one bus with 165,000 miles & 20,500 hours.

Also, the Cummins holds up just fine to hotshotters grossing 30,000lbs on a Ram 3500 duallie.
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I suppose it would be a great idea for people who post that 5.9s are crap give reference to first hand experience. I have heard many people regurgitate information they have read on internet bulletin boards. First hand experience talks, secondhand expierience walks. I have no firsthand experience with 5.9s in skoolies, but plenty in other light and medium duty trucks and all the experience I have with them is good. The secondhand information that I have from the bus mechanics at the local school district is favourable too, but we all know what I think of secondhand info. Perhaps the duty cycle of a School Bus is a problem, but nobody here is gonna run a route in a skoolie, but will drive it steady state
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Old 11-06-2004, 04:22 PM   #10
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If you want first hand info email Greg and ask him what he thinks about them. He has only been buying and selling skoolies for 30 years. mailto:GregArchambault@yahoo.com Take a look on Ebay right now there is a bunch of buses "2001 Champion CTS 28 Passenger 30 Ft. Medium Duty Bus" almost all of them have a new fuel pump and under 200k miles. Those engines are for light duty applications. My buddy who worked for the local school bus garage for 20 years also said the same things about them. If the dodge pickup was so great at hauling 30,000LBS then why does anybody buy a medium duty rig with air brakes. I suppose you also think hydraulic brakes are just fine for heavy duty applications as well? Maybe all those truckers are just plain stupid for wanting an M11 or series 60, why not just sell their tractors for a dodge pickup to make long haul runs?
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