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Old 01-22-2017, 01:57 AM   #1
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Hey guys just purchased my first bus a 1998 carpenter crown with 80k miles.

Having an issue with finding a solution for locking up at night, my rear door has no lock and the front has a swinging door that when closed latches and cannot be opened from the outside. Hoping there is a good solution.

Also I need to replace the key cylinder but having trouble finding a correct replacement.




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Old 01-22-2017, 08:15 AM   #2
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I have seen a lot bus's that have a key hole somewhere upfront by the door that will pop open the folding door. Mine is a flat noise and right around the front of the bus behind the mirrors on the body is my lock.

For the rear door get a simple sliding barrel lock and install it inside once you get your front door figured out.

I would call a lock smith and start there for your key cylinder. If there is a number of bus part places online
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Old 01-22-2017, 10:00 AM   #3
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I C-clamp my rewar emergency door shut unless im driving my bus then I want to be able to escape if needbe..

my handicap door I installed a house lock on it that allows me to lock with a key so i leave my school-kids door latched and closed and jump out of the handocap door and climb in using the fuel door opening as a step (im a little guy pretty nimble)..

my bluebird has dual outswing school-kid doors but it has a cylinder lock in it from the factory, it is pretty simple design wit ha rod that goes up and one that goes down into holes in the floor and in the header.. ive bene thinking about how I might make something for my carpenter similar so i could lock it without jumping out of the side door..

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Old 01-22-2017, 10:10 PM   #4
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I am looking at putting the puck style van locks on my doors. The rear emergency door should be pretty straight forward, but my front door may take some careful positioning to fit the brackets between the windows.
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Old 01-22-2017, 10:36 PM   #5
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Yes i went with the shrouded puck style and the front did take careful positioning. I even put the lock down low so it would have more metal to mount to.

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Old 01-23-2017, 11:15 AM   #6
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nice bus... low miles, what state did you buy in?
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Old 01-23-2017, 11:22 AM   #7
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I purchased it in NJ registering it as commercial and starting a mobile business, don't ask me what yet


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Old 01-23-2017, 04:42 PM   #8
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Is that pinch weld structural? Planning on removing side panels which that's on


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Old 01-23-2017, 07:45 PM   #9
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Is that pinch weld structural? Planning on removing side panels which that's on


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That's the chair rail... Some say its structural and some say it's not.
I'm keeping mine in and trimming around it.
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Old 01-23-2017, 08:22 PM   #10
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If you are talking about the spot welds at the top of the wall panels, my windows had a lip that came down and covered them. I just used an angle grinder to cut the panel flush with the bottom of the window lip. The seat ledge I am not messing with.
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Old 01-23-2017, 08:36 PM   #11
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Yea my sense is that the seat ridge is structural, especially since it held the seats in place, and it has come in handy for me to strap things to when driving.
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Old 01-29-2017, 01:15 AM   #12
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It took a little bit for us to come up with a lock setup for our rear door. This method is cheap, easy and secure.

Skoolie Security - Locking Up Your Skoolie | The Bus Abides

The front door is still a problem. Our bus has a external latch which locks. Its not the most secure thing in the world but it works for now.
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Old 01-29-2017, 04:03 AM   #13
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To lock side and rear emergency exit doors a barrel bolt will work very easily. Thomas actually used them for several years if you ordered the buses with vandal locks.

In order to lock the service door you sometimes have to get a bit creative.

If you have a bus that is still in production you might be able to order from a dealer a service door vandal lock. I did that for our church's Thomas Saf-T-Liner MVP FE. It took several hours to install but it works great and can't be locked without a key.

On another bus I wanted something quick and easy. It was on another Thomas bus with a two leaf door with both leaves opening outwards. I drilled a hole in about the center of both door leaves below the lower window. I then threaded a carriage bolt through a length of chain and through the door leaf and put a nylock nut on the inside. I then just used a padlock with a long hasp to lock the two lengths of chain. If you position everything just right the chains don't dangle below the bottom step and the chains are not loose at all when the padlock is locked.

On a Carpenter bus with a manual service door with one leaf opening in and the other opening out I used a hasp with two staples--one to lock the door closed and a second one to lock the hasp down when the door was open so it couldn't reach out and attack someone going by and so it wouldn't flop in the breeze as you drove down the road.
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