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05-04-2017, 11:00 AM
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#101
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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I thought I had some better pictures of the Wagon. Appologies for the thread drift.
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Nobody's Business
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05-04-2017, 11:07 AM
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#102
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Originally Posted by Robin97396
I thought I had some better pictures of the Wagon. Appologies for the thread drift.
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You should be asking Rust-oleum if they will sell to you in the barrel size.
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05-04-2017, 12:00 PM
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#103
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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I should ask Rustoleum to replace the paint on that Power Wagon. In this coastal weather the paint seem to peal off in large chips.
I'm actually making an effort so my bus doesn't peel like that.
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Nobody's Business
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05-04-2017, 12:25 PM
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#104
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Originally Posted by Robin97396
I should ask Rustoleum to replace the paint on that Power Wagon. In this coastal weather the paint seem to peal off in large chips.
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I assumed it was the original paint. You didn't use a latex did you?
Some internet chicky followed the H.D. dude's advice and used an interior/exterior latex paint. Maybe for the floor where you're trying to water proof it? There's better products for that too tho. Anywho, the dead bugs stain the latex and it peals. Go figure.
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I'm actually making an effort so my bus doesn't peel like that.
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3 days and it hasn't peeled yet!!
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05-04-2017, 12:47 PM
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#105
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: SW New Hampshire
Posts: 1,334
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Boy, this thread went all over pretty quickly!
For the record, a venturi bead breaker:
BOA Constrictor® | Gaither Tools
Also of interest on the 'Tube would be some slo-mo movies of rail rods getting off the line that I ran across at some point. (Amazing what they suggest might be interesting to you.) The tires assume shapes that their mommas never intended them to assume.
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05-04-2017, 04:02 PM
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#106
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Skoolie
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 138
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rameses
Bias ply tires will get flat spots if parked for a while without being moved. The flat spots will work themselves out once the tire is heated up on the road, but until they get warm it'll be a rough ride.
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How long is a while?
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05-04-2017, 04:39 PM
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#107
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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If it's cold outside, expect things to smooth out about 15 minutes down the road. Faster in warm weather.
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05-04-2017, 06:05 PM
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#108
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Skoolie
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 138
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I can handle that. My Mazda 5 is the same way. Go figure. Thank you.
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05-04-2017, 06:14 PM
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#109
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,848
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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my silverado truck (2015) definitely gets flat spots.. granted that truck sits more than it drives but I think any tires will give you flat spots from sitting, esp in cold weather
-Christopher
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05-04-2017, 06:30 PM
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#110
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
Posts: 855
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: All American
Engine: Cummins 8.3/Allison MD3060
Rated Cap: 84
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Originally Posted by BigDavid
How long is a while?
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Depends on several factors.
If it's cold outside, no sunlight to heat up the asphalt, and you're driving extremely slowly, they'll take a really long time to warm up.
If it's blistering hot out, sunny with 140 degree road temp, have low tire pressure, and are driving like a maniac and weaving back and forth like a NASCAR driver trying to keep their tires hot, you'll probably get them up to temp in about a minute.
Realistically, yeah, probably about 15 minutes under average real world conditions.
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05-04-2017, 07:04 PM
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#111
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Skoolie
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 138
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I appreciate the info. I live just north of Gainesville, Ga. It doesn't get too cold here.
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05-05-2017, 08:28 AM
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#112
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rameses
have low tire pressure, and are driving like a maniac and weaving back and forth like a NASCAR driver trying to keep their tires hot,.
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Really? If a NASCRAP car turns right, it wrecks!!
IRL, F1, IMSA, WRC, etc.
Dave,
It happens a LOT with real tires. Tires with a treadwear of 200 and less. They don't like cold weather, even your version of it. Truck tires and 110 PSI I don't know. Leave your bos for 6 months without moving it and it will flat spot. 6 weeks. Maybe? 6 hrs. No. Where the line in the sand is, I've no clue.
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05-07-2017, 07:56 AM
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#113
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario
Posts: 1,793
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: B3800 Short bus
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 36
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If anyone cares, I posted an update on the front end progress on my build page: http://www.skoolie.net/forums/f27/ar...tml#post202129
Kingpins are installed now I'm on to the tire swap! I'll have to visit the neighbour's to borrow a tire iron. There's one around here somewhere, but I can't find it...
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05-08-2017, 07:25 AM
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#114
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Originally Posted by jazty
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I'll check that out in a minute.
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Kingpins are installed now I'm on to the tire swap! I'll have to visit the neighbour's to borrow a tire iron. There's one around here somewhere, but I can't find it...
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1 5/16ths or 33mm.
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05-08-2017, 07:34 AM
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#115
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario
Posts: 1,793
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: B3800 Short bus
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewerbob
1 5/16ths or 33mm.
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Oh, I was speaking of this kind of tire iron.
I have a socket for taking off the lug nuts (1 1/4"), but I'll need to borrow one for the axle nut (1 5/8"), since it appears that I need a new left axle seal as well. Popped the covers off to check the grease and found a bit of water in the left hub. The bearings are fine, though. No deep water infiltration has occurred quite yet.
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05-08-2017, 08:31 AM
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#116
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jazty
Oh, I was speaking of this kind of tire iron.
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Totally read that as lug not tire. My bad.
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I have a socket for taking off the lug nuts (1 1/4"), but I'll need to borrow one for the axle nut (1 5/8"),
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Really? I couldn't find a 33mm so I bought 1 5/16". There's a tad of slop. More than I'd like but seeing how mine are painted, probably a good thing. Also as it is 6 poiint and not 12, it shouldn't matter. Pretty sure I tried the 1 1/4" and it didn't fit.
Hob centric on mine. You?
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05-08-2017, 08:40 AM
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#117
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario
Posts: 1,793
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: B3800 Short bus
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewerbob
Hob centric on mine. You?
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Good ol' Daytons!
I like 'em, personally. I can change a tire on the side of the road, or down my dirty driveway. Also the tires + rims are lighter than the other variants. I can even lift a dismounted tire if I wrap my arms through the center.
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05-08-2017, 08:45 AM
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#118
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jazty
Good ol' Daytons!
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Had to google that. Mine definitely are NOT. And unless they make them in a 10 lug pattern, they aren't going to be any time soon either.
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05-08-2017, 08:50 AM
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#119
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
Posts: 855
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: All American
Engine: Cummins 8.3/Allison MD3060
Rated Cap: 84
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Daytons use an 1 1/4" socket, hub piloted use 33 mm, and stud piloted use 1 1/2".
Quote:
Originally Posted by jazty
Good ol' Daytons!
I like 'em, personally. I can change a tire on the side of the road, or down my dirty driveway. Also the tires + rims are lighter than the other variants. I can even lift a dismounted tire if I wrap my arms through the center.
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My grandfather could load one in the back of a truck by letting the tire tread rest against the front of his hips and grabbing the inside of the rim with his fingers. He'd pick up with his fingers and hold the tire out in front of him in a horizontal fashion and walk it over the tailgate and sit it down. To this day I still have no idea how that's even possible.
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05-08-2017, 08:51 AM
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#120
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
Posts: 855
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: All American
Engine: Cummins 8.3/Allison MD3060
Rated Cap: 84
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewerbob
Had to google that. Mine definitely are NOT. And unless they make them in a 10 lug pattern, they aren't going to be any time soon either.
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Switching from your wheels to Daytons requires changing your hubs.
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