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Old 09-06-2012, 08:47 AM   #1
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Bus won't start after removing flashers/stop sign

So I spent the last two weeks working on painting and removing the flashers, stop sign, etc off the bus, and NOW the thing won't start. Ignition just does nothing. When I turn the key I hear a semi-pleasant beeping noise. It doesn't even crank, so I think it's some sort of circuit interruption (deliberate or accidental). It's a different noise than if the emergency door was locked or open (that is a nasty buzzing noise). I don't quite remember from before if there is that beeping noise before the engine starts. It might be normal.

I'm theorizing that something electrical with the stop sign is causing the bus to not start. Not sure why. I just clipped the wires since there was no connector I could see. The only other changes since last starting it is removing the safety bar from the front, removing the radio antenna, removing the top flashers (front and back) and painted the vehicle.

Any ideas? When removing the exterior electrical components, do I need to do some rewiring on the inside, perhaps?
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:12 AM   #2
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Re: Bus won't start after removing flashers/stop sign

yes, removing the stop sign can cause the bus not to start. I had to do a bit of rewiring on mine after i removed the stop sign.. and also had to figure out which wires had to be connected together and which wires grounded when i removed the switches on the side doors and the back window...

you can pretty easily figure it out by trial and error...
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:52 AM   #3
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Re: Bus won't start after removing flashers/stop sign

Since you have the same bus as me I will add this.

I removed my stop sign assy, so I can modify it, I just unplugged everything and it's sitting in the bus and outside(even hose is still sticking thru the hole)

I have driven it a couple times...no problem with it starting so the stop sign (unless it's different) didn't effect me.

Only difference is that my front bar was already disconnected
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Old 09-06-2012, 11:02 AM   #4
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Re: Bus won't start after removing flashers/stop sign

I can't explain it, but after several attempts, the bus FINALLY starts. I didn't do anything except turn the ignition about 5 times. It did NOTHING the first few times, and then on the 4th try, I heard a single knocking noise (something electrical related) from the wiring panel on my left side. I then tried a 5th time and it WORKED! I really have zero explanation.

I am supposed to be getting it weighed tomorrow (and the title flipped) so I was getting stressed. I can deal with quirks later as long as I can get that other stuff done first.
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I can't explain it, but after several attempts, the bus FINALLY starts. I didn't do anything except turn the ignition about 5 times. It did NOTHING the first few times, and then on the 4th try, I heard a single knocking noise (something electrical related) from the wiring panel on my left side. I then tried a 5th time and it WORKED! I really have zero explanation.

I am supposed to be getting it weighed tomorrow (and the title flipped) so I was getting stressed. I can deal with quirks later as long as I can get that other stuff done first.
Mine has done that 2 times since I got it, turn key to start and nothing (it should activate the solinoid->round thing on panel with battery cables going to each side and another smaller wire going to the key switch)
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The clicking you hear from the panel is the solinoid activating

so either the solinoid is sticking or the switch contacts are dirty/bad...which are not allowing contact to be made to turn the starter over...I am going to replace both not $$ and I already have them from other projects

I also plan to check ground for that panel that everything is mounted to,because the solinoid needs to be grounded to work
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Old 09-06-2012, 11:45 AM   #6
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Re: Bus won't start after removing flashers/stop sign

The clicking noise can be caused by several things......

weak battery or batteries...
bad connection, dirty, loose or corroded contacts...
corroded cables...
bad starter...

or on a bus ???

just my 2 cents...
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Re: Bus won't start after removing flashers/stop sign

okay just came in from bus

On our bus there is a solenoid on the panel by driver(open door outside)

when you turn the key to the "run" position it should activate("click")
this powers up the 12v side of the bus, things like alternator and fuel shutoff solenoid

When you turn the key to the "start" position it sends 12v to the starter solenoid (shiny gold-ish thing on top of the starter)



this makes the starter spin to start the engine

So I noticed on mine (while getting you pics...thanks!.. that the monkey that put the brand new starter on didn't tighten the nut...which would explain a lot of my weird electrical issues.



Since the main 12v from battery uses this to "connect the rest of the system" to the bus (the other large gauge wire goes to the "hot" side of the first solenoid I posted a pic of.....so I need to clean and tighten this before diagnosing further


so if your not getting a "click" when you first turn the key and it wont crank over and all connections are tight...I would then look at the ignition switch (since it controls 2 separate "systems")

post up any findings

OH and disconnect battery before tightening any connections...you do not want to ground out a wrench
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Re: Bus won't start after removing flashers/stop sign

I had the same thing with a Harley I had once. A loose battery cable. I would be riding along and the bike would die. It never happened in a safe spot. It happened on the Golden Gate Bridge, in the Broadway tunnel and a few other nice spots. God bless union labor for their quality control. We won't talk about the fuel line that was barely on and could have set the bike and me on fire. An old timer found that one and I thought he was pulling my leg when he showed it to me. I did get a recall notice for the fuel line about 5 years after I sold the bike. This was on a brand new Harley. I'm done. Rant off.
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