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Old 07-08-2016, 02:26 AM   #11
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A lot of info is being thrown out in this thread. Some of it correct and some not.

It is correct that RVs are exempt from the DPF requirement. Everything else starting at 14,050 pounds and up will need to comply with the the regs at some point. There is no single date that covers all vehicles. If you buy a bigger bus, you want to get it switched over from a bus to RV as soon as possible.

A legal pickup truck is not subject to the DPF regs as far as needing to retrofit their vehicle. What does that mean? A F450 with a pickup bed does not fall under the legal definition of a pickup in California.

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471. A "pickup truck" is a motor truck with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of less than 11,500 pounds, an unladen weight of less than 8,001 pounds, and which is equipped with an open box-type bed not exceeding 9 feet in length. "Pickup truck" does not include a motor vehicle otherwise meeting the above definition, that is equipped with a bed-mounted storage compartment unit commonly called a "utility body."
The rules are very confusing and I have spent many hours reading the regs. I can tell you one thing for sure. DO NOT BASE YOUR BUSINESS DECISIONS ON INFO FROM AN INTERNET FORUM. It is worth as much as you paid for it.
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Old 07-08-2016, 03:03 AM   #12
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All this makes me glad I live in a rural GA county where there's no such thing as "emissions testing" and the rule-of-thumb is "if it came from the factory with it, then that's what it needs to have". Some folks are known to hollow out catalytic converters when they get plugged up. Of course it's illegal, but very hard to detect so many folks never get caught.
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Old 07-08-2016, 10:06 AM   #13
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A lot of info is being thrown out in this thread. Some of it correct and some not.

DO NOT BASE YOUR BUSINESS DECISIONS ON INFO FROM AN INTERNET FORUM. It is worth as much as you paid for it.
You seem to know what you're talking about and I agree with your bold statement. I read an official CARB document on the subject that spelled out the schedule for phasing in the rules. As you stated, busses with a GVW of above 14K are also captured by the rules. It was not the full text of the law, but more of a summary sheet.

Do you know how compliance is enforced? I read on that document that fleet owners are required to keep records. Are the vehicles required to report for testing? Are they randomly pulled in for testing at truck scales or roadside checkpoints?

The reason I ask these last questions is that pre 98 diesel and pre 76 gas private use vehicles are generally referred to as "smog exempt" in popular vernacular. However, in truth, they must be emissions legal. But they never have a smog check so owners of these vehicles modify them any way they choose with impunity. For example, a '69 Camaro with an 8-71 blower sticking out of the hood could get a ticket.
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The reason I ask these last questions is that pre 98 diesel and pre 76 gas private use vehicles are generally referred to as "smog exempt" in popular vernacular. However, in truth, they must be emissions legal. But they never have a smog check so owners of these vehicles modify them any way they choose with impunity. For example, a '69 Camaro with an 8-71 blower sticking out of the hood could get a ticket.
This has nothing to do with the commercial DPF regs. What you mention has to do with regular passenger vehicles. I don't know everything about the commercial stuff because it gave me a headache trying to figure it out. I just try to make sure that I don't buy anything that falls into that category. That is why I read up on it. I just want to stay legal. I don't have the ability to clearly and willfully break the law and have millions of stupid people defend my actions.
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I just called AZ bus sales and the guy told me that if you use your bus less than 5000 miles per year you don't need to retrofit. I looked up the CARB rule and he was right, but it drops to 1000 miles in 2020. I would easily drive less than 1000 miles per year so it looks like this is workable for me. FYI, he also told me that testing is random, i.e., roadside, not scheduled.
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I can tell you that at least for commercial vehicles, IE big rigs, the manufacturer has a special emblem on the side which indicates it is CA legal... I'd post a pic if I could. For truckers this has been a sore subject because many owner/operators simply won't drop the dough for a newer compliant truck or a retrofit. They can pay the fine or just turn away California loads. Big fleets buy new trucks so frequently that virtually all of theirs are compliant so no issues there. That being said, along with something stated earlier if accurate, is that with all the technology they have at weigh stations they can easily zero in on noncompliant diesels and send then aside to win a hefty fine. For us as skoolies it's also going to be a challenge apparently because, well, if-it-looks-like-a-bus...
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