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Old 03-05-2015, 10:41 AM   #11
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I took these two screen shots of what I believe is a late 90's early 2000's Blue Bird tc2000.

On these buses it looks like the frame rails run all the way out to the back bumper...

I am looking to haul a dual axle car trailer and I do not think the total weight with car and trailer will be more than 6000lbs but I also do not think that it will be any less than 5000lbs; which means that will come out to at least a 500lbs of downward force at the hitch:

Thoughts?
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Old 03-05-2015, 10:59 AM   #12
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That kinda looks like the Cummins 5.9L... I wonder whether they build with the frame rails full-length for the smaller engines that can fit in between, and shorten the frame rails when the bus is to be built with a larger and wider engine..?

Those frame rails sure seem to stop well short of the bumper, and when you add to that the length of a ball mount to finally arrive at the spot where the tongue weight hangs, it kind of looks like a long overhang to me. I'd guess the hitch framework would need to extend at least a foot, maybe two feet along the frame rails..? There might be some challenges involved in relocating whatever else might be bolted to the frame in all that space.
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Old 03-05-2015, 11:03 AM   #13
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That kinda looks like the Cummins 5.9L... I wonder whether they build with the frame rails full-length for the smaller engines that can fit in between, and shorten the frame rails when the bus is to be built with a larger and wider engine..?

Those frame rails sure seem to stop well short of the bumper, and when you add to that the length of a ball mount to finally arrive at the spot where the tongue weight hangs, it kind of looks like a long overhang to me. I'd guess the hitch framework would need to extend at least a foot, maybe two feet along the frame rails..? There might be some challenges involved in relocating whatever else might be bolted to the frame in all that space.
Good point. I had a similar thought considering I would prefer to have a much larger engine than the Cummins 5.9 for towing. I am beginning to doubt that, even with modifications, towing a car hauler behind one of these rear engined buses is wise.
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Old 03-05-2015, 01:19 PM   #14
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Physically the 8.3 is only a few inches bigger than the 5.9. The 8.3 is not any wider than the 5.9.

I have never seen a 5.9 rear engine. I think they did come that way though.

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Old 03-05-2015, 01:28 PM   #15
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I've seen 5.9 RE's.
For towing, I'd look for Bluebird FE with the 8.3
There was a really sweet BB AA FE with the 8.3 and low miles at auction here a few months ago when I was shopping. I bid like crazy and had to quit at 3500 .
That was a sweet east coast bus.
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Old 03-05-2015, 07:17 PM   #16
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I've seen 5.9 RE's.
For towing, I'd look for Bluebird FE with the 8.3
There was a really sweet BB AA FE with the 8.3 and low miles at auction here a few months ago when I was shopping. I bid like crazy and had to quit at 3500 .
That was a sweet east coast bus.
A 8.3 front engine rides real bad. Nose dive city.

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He won't be having any nose dove issues hauling tons of weight like he is planning.
Empty semi's ride bad, but I've never heard anyone complain about the ride of a bus based on what engine is in it.
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Here's the frame set up on a AARE Bluebird



As you can see it is pretty beefy, no idea if it's strong enough to carry a load, probably. It does flex quite a bit if you try to jack the bus up using it.
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Old 03-05-2015, 10:40 PM   #19
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I've seen 5.9 RE's.
For towing, I'd look for Bluebird FE with the 8.3
There was a really sweet BB AA FE with the 8.3 and low miles at auction here a few months ago when I was shopping. I bid like crazy and had to quit at 3500 .
That was a sweet east coast bus.
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Here's the frame set up on a AARE Bluebird



As you can see it is pretty beefy, no idea if it's strong enough to carry a load, probably. It does flex quite a bit if you try to jack the bus up using it.
Thanks for all that info, especially those photos of the engine frame's relation to the main frame.

All that guess work with the rear engine mounting options has me leaning towards something more like what you've got there EastCoastCB; everywhere I read, people talk about the reliability of the DT466. That engines reliability, plus the fact that I have mostly only seen it in front engine configurations has me second guessing whether or not its even worth it to try and go Rear engined.
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Old 03-05-2015, 11:42 PM   #20
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I'd jump on any good buses with 8.3 Cummins, too.
Great engines for buses.
For cheapness and reliability, the 466 is pretty hard to beat. For towing look for a 210 hp or higher. They made them up to 275hp if memory serves me correctly.
Another thing would be the transmission.
Get a stout one like a 643 or similar. I'd stay away from the 545's for heavier duty or towing.
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