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Old 10-26-2007, 10:24 AM   #11
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Re: Comparing Bluebird TC2000 and All American

I am not sure about the TC2000 but the All American's are completely galvanized except the frame and are very heavily built buses, meant to last forever. sportyrick
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Old 10-26-2007, 10:53 PM   #12
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Personally, I may be a bit biased here, but I prefer blue bird over thomas. We got 10 new thomas/freightliners at work, and the interiors ceilings rattle like mad. I do like the C2, but I am sure it will be a while before we see those on the market for conversions.
My choice would be the All American over the TC, but only for the size difference.
I too prefer bluebird over thomas. I work weekend trips at the first student by me and I always rather have a bluebird over a thomas. The BB they have are conventional international with a t444e which just seem to run smoother, shake less and smell cleaner and a lot more room up front to put my stuff than the newer thomas freightliners which seem to shake at idle, smell bad and just lack the power and they have a cat under the hood and no room to put anything. The ones I really liked there were 94 and older internationals with 408's and 360's under the hood, jackknife door and loads of room to the left to put my laptop and my cooler for a nice full day of sitting time.

Now this weekend all the BB's and FL's are out on rentals so it looks like I'll be stuck in a new this year international/internaional. I just hope that steering wheel doesn't give me problems with the door.

As for me I have never been in an All American and I've only been in a tc2000 once so I can't compare the two. I was in a transshuttle (tc1000) for more than 6 years and it was a good smooth ride with one engine overhaul, one electrical fire, 3 rear ends 3rd electronic dash and windsheilds that seem to chip easy. The windsheilds may chip easy on any stub nose bus though. I still drive the bus when someone else needs the current one I use now cause I still like driving the real bus and not one of them fiberglass units.
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Old 10-29-2007, 08:54 PM   #13
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Re: Comparing Bluebird TC2000 and All American

Anyone know of a source for RE All Americans from the mid '90s? They seem pretty scarce. Do they come in various ceiling heights like the Thomas buses or are they all the same?
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Old 11-01-2007, 03:05 PM   #14
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Re: Comparing Bluebird TC2000 and All American

Well, I haven't been checking this site much the last couple of weeks (life gets busy!) but I've got to comment on this. I have five children and would love to have more. They are the most precious blessing one could ever hope for!!

I regularly drive the All American (I'm leaving on my route in a couple of minutes on a new one), the TC2000 (low end Blue Bird), Thomas MVP, and I own an older Thomas RE. The older Thomas RE are EXCELLENT buses. The new ones are junk compared to Blue Bird. It happened in the '90's when Thomas became Freightliner.

I don't know who told you that Thomas RE buses don't handle as well on the highway, but they don't know what they're talking about. For highway travel the RE is the only way to go. The ride is smoother and quieter. The handling is great. The only advantage of a FE over RE is if you want a big door with a ramp in the back to bring your ATV along with you.

Look for a Thomas RE SatTLiner from the mid 80's to early 90's. They ran the CAT 3208 until '90 (like BlueBird did) and then switched over to Cummins to meet emission standards. The SafTliner compares to the All American. The TC2000 RE is nice but it's a lower end compared to the SafTLiner. Of course I'm talking early 90' and earlier!
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Old 11-01-2007, 08:17 PM   #15
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Re: Comparing Bluebird TC2000 and All American

I read some stuff on another forum called schoolbusfleet.com, not a skoolie site. One thread listed some differences between the AA and the Tc2000. The TC frame is more of a medium duty frame and the AA frame is more like a HD OTR truck frame. TC's have less options to compete on school bids. I myself don't know anything about TC's. I'll tell you that my 1989 AA RE weighs 22,700 pounds with my butt in the seat. That is with all the seats removed. My rear axle is a 23k and my front axle is a 13,400+/-. It is definately one stout SOB. If you want to haul any toys, don't buy a RE bus unless you have a large door for a wheelchair lift. Maybe some people with TC's can give details about their busses. I do have a 1985 BBAA for sale, but it is a gas FE. Both engine and trans have been rebuilt. It is in WV. PM me if you are interested.
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Old 11-01-2007, 08:28 PM   #16
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Re: Comparing Bluebird TC2000 and All American

Rick:

Thanks for the info. The kids are great - they are a big part of why I am interested in doing a skoolie conversion.

I think the comment regarding stability of RE Thomas on the highway was meant just in comparison to other RE buses that are available. But I am glad to hear of your experience. Do you know exactly what model year Thomas became Freightliner?

Does anyone know of VIN decoders for Thomas or other bus manufactures like this one for Bluebird?

Can anyone comment on the overall quality of International/AmTram RE buses?

crazycal - thanks for the hint about that forum - I found the thread here. That also gives me a better idea of how the All American is built - and explains the prices I've seen for them...

thx again - Tony
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Old 12-20-2007, 11:12 AM   #17
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Does anyone know anything about the 8.3L cummins they put in some All-Americans? Does it have the same reputation as the 5.9L?
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Old 12-22-2007, 11:02 AM   #19
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Re: Comparing Bluebird TC2000 and All American

I don't hear about too many 8.3's. SOmeone told me that it won't run well on veggie oil. How is the 8.3 better than the 5.9. Doe's it use a lot of the same components, ip, lift pump, injectors, etc?
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Re: Comparing Bluebird TC2000 and All American

They are in a LOT of trucks. I have one in my 89 BBAA. If I had a choice of all the engines available(in school buses), the 8.3 Cummins would be my first choice hands down. More cubes, more power than most of the other engines in school buses. The Cat 3208 turbo would be good too. I can't see why the 8.3 mechanical would have a problem with veggie juice.
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