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Old 10-24-2007, 05:21 PM   #1
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Comparing Bluebird TC2000 and All American

Hi everyone:

I've been lurking here a while and am in the process of looking for a bus now. I'd like to better understand the differences between the All American and TC2000 buses from the mid 90s. Can anyone elaborate on them? I'm interested in the rear engine flavors of both.

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Old 10-24-2007, 05:40 PM   #2
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Re: Comparing Bluebird TC2000 and All American

I know that the TC2000's usually have the 5.9L Cummins engine in them. From everything I've read on here, that's a very good engine. I like the All American FE's too. They're about the biggest buses I've seen at 15 windows! WOO HOO! I'd love to have one of those. I've seen some big TC2000's as well. If you're not looking for the biggest bus you can get, I don't think you can go wrong with a TC2000.
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Old 10-24-2007, 06:03 PM   #3
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Size is an important consideration. I have 5 kids and I'd like to have room for more than just bunks...
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GOOD LORD! Five kids? Tie that thing in a knot! In that case, I'd certainly look for a 14 or 15 window bus. I think Phillbus has a 14 window TC2000. I'd have to look at his pictures again. You could have a master bed in the back, and then bunks in front of that. Two or three on each side. I've done some measurements in my bus. I think two bunks is ideal. If you stack three on top of each other, it's doable, but a little cramped. Kids might not care though. You could have two bunks on each side of the bus and have one kid sleep on the couch. Or, make a dinette that folds into a bed. Dinette's aren't big enough for adults really, but they're perfect for kids. At any rate, I would definitely go for a big 14 or 15 window bus with that many people. You would want a full size couch and a dinette that seats 4 people so you can all ride up front when going down the road. I don't think you could go wrong with a TC2000 or an All American FE. One of those two buses will be my next bus purchase a few years down the road.
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Re: Comparing Bluebird TC2000 and All American

You might also want to look at some of the Thomas Transit style (rear engine) bus too, while mine may only be a 12 window bus, most I've seen are 13 window units, and I've seen some much longer too, even one with a tag axle on it. You should also consider finding one with undercarriage storage compartment already on it, they are out there but somewhat rare. This will give you tremendous storage capacity for 'stuff' that does not need to into the main cabin area (lawn chairs, grills, etc...)
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Old 10-25-2007, 12:22 AM   #7
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You might also want to look at some of the Thomas Transit style (rear engine) bus too, while mine may only be a 12 window bus, most I've seen are 13 window units, and I've seen some much longer too, even one with a tag axle on it. You should also consider finding one with undercarriage storage compartment already on it, they are out there but somewhat rare. This will give you tremendous storage capacity for 'stuff' that does not need to into the main cabin area (lawn chairs, grills, etc...)
I had started out looking at Thomas, but I was told (by a good source) that their RE buses wouldn't handle as well on the highway as the Bluebirds or others. Is that something that others have also observed? A large part of my use will be interstate highway travel.

I am definitely seeking a bus with storage compartments underneath. I would also like as high a ceiling as possible - though I'm inspired by the people here who have raised roofs, so that might be something I could be flexible on.
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Re: Comparing Bluebird TC2000 and All American

Personally, I may be a bit biased here, but I prefer blue bird over thomas. We got 10 new thomas/freightliners at work, and the interiors ceilings rattle like mad. I do like the C2, but I am sure it will be a while before we see those on the market for conversions.
My choice would be the All American over the TC, but only for the size difference.
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So are the differences just size and perhaps engine choice? Are they otherwise built the same in general?
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Re: Comparing Bluebird TC2000 and All American

They pretty much are the same, just I believe the all american is built to a higher standard than the TC. The TC's we have dont seem to go longer than 10 years without needing MAJOR work. However, if you get a good one from the south or another rust free zone, you would be ok. Our frames seemed to rot out fast. Also, the all american is better equipped option wise too. My bus has a complete gauge cluster, the TC usually just had the basics. IMHO, either one would be good, but if you are looking for a good one, go with the all american.

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