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Old 10-02-2018, 09:03 PM   #1
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Crown Supercoach II roof raise and other concerns

Anyone raise the roof on a CSII or know anyone who has? I heard raising the roof on the regular CS was tricky because the windows angle in slightly, making it a challenge to raise the roof. It does not appear that would be the case for the CSII. Also, is there any other things to be concerned about with the CSII?

I don't own a CSII but was considering it as another option in my search.
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Old 10-02-2018, 11:35 PM   #2
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The original Supercoach and the Super II share exactly the same body profile between the wheels, in other words the bottoms taper in, the section between floor and windows is about vertical, and the windows angle in. Yes. folk have raised Crown roofs, but it seems like a major project, not for someone without the skills and determination. More to the point, why would you want to do it on a Super II? It would end up looking weird and out of proportion, and the front and rear caps would end up being too steep an angle to be attractive. Super IIs are some of the most handsome buses ever made, but a raised roof would give them a sort of Frankenstein-forehead appearance. There's 77" of headroom inside - how tall are you?

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Old 10-03-2018, 10:09 AM   #3
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The original Supercoach and the Super II share exactly the same body profile between the wheels, in other words the bottoms taper in, the section between floor and windows is about vertical, and the windows angle in. Yes. folk have raised Crown roofs, but it seems like a major project, not for someone without the skills and determination. More to the point, why would you want to do it on a Super II? It would end up looking weird and out of proportion, and the front and rear caps would end up being too steep an angle to be attractive. Super IIs are some of the most handsome buses ever made, but a raised roof would give them a sort of Frankenstein-forehead appearance. There's 77" of headroom inside - how tall are you?

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As already mentioned, I don't have a SCII and the person I contacted said it was around 72". I am just shy of 6'2 and do not feel like bending my head all the time. My son and some relatives are even taller, so even 77" is questionable. I agree raising the entire roof would give it the Frankenstein look. However, I would have it tapered (especially in front) similar to what others do with their Bluebirds and Thomas's. If anyone knows of someone who has successfully raised an SCII, I would like to see some pics and get some feedback.
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Old 10-03-2018, 11:04 PM   #4
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There are very few Super IIs in private ownership anywhere, let alone being converted. Locutus in WA started his 36 footer but gave up after a few years. Mid-Placer 35, the sister bus to mine, was sold on CL after some kids had it for a few years (and probably thrashed it mercilessly). My friend Al has Fresno 20 and one from Clovis, and Moki has Wahkiakum 1 from WA state. There's even one in Vancouver BC used for city tours, painted in Union Jack colors. There was a white one near Stockton CA a few years ago, but I don't know what happened to it. Those are the only Super IIs I know of in private ownership - maybe there are a few more here and there, but not many. None of them are converted. I think mine is (or will be when I finish it) the only fully-converted Super II in the country, i.e. in the world! If you raise a Super II's roof, it will definitely be unique. Good luck.

Realistically, a straight-side bus like a Thombird would be a better candidate for major surgery like what you want to do, or just buy a low-floor transit such as a Gillig LF with 6'8" headroom.

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Old 10-03-2018, 11:16 PM   #5
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There are very few Super IIs in private ownership anywhere, let alone being converted. Locutus in WA started his 36 footer but gave up after a few years. Mid-Placer 35, the sister bus to mine, was sold on CL after some kids had it for a few years (and probably thrashed it mercilessly). My friend Al has Fresno 20 and one from Clovis, and Moki has Wahkiakum 1 from WA state. There's even one in Vancouver BC used for city tours, painted in Union Jack colors. There was a white one near Stockton CA a few years ago, but I don't know what happened to it. Those are the only Super IIs I know of in private ownership - maybe there are a few more here and there, but not many. None of them are converted. I think mine is (or will be when I finish it) the only fully-converted Super II in the country, i.e. in the world! If you raise a Super II's roof, it will definitely be unique. Good luck.

Realistically, a straight-side bus like a Thombird would be a better candidate for major surgery like what you want to do, or just buy a low-floor transit such as a Gillig LF with 6'8" headroom.

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ID and BB have straight sides. Thomas has a 6 degree slope at the windows.
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You may find starting with a transit bus to be a better choice since all of the low floor models have much more than 80" in the front portion and more than 76" from the rear axle back.

Yes you lose under floor space but you can build it up on the bus floor and then build another floor over it. With some planning up front you should be able to have a fairly good setup without having to raise the roof.

Of all of the Crowns I have seen that had a roof lift the most successful looking ones were lifted at the floor level. The new section of wall was in the only place in the side wall where the sidewall was 90* to the floor.

The other advantage of raising below the windows is it raises the windows up to standing height rather than sitting height--you can look out the windows without stooping over.
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Old 10-04-2018, 10:21 AM   #7
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ID and BB have straight sides. Thomas has a 6 degree slope at the windows.
Really? I was following a Thomas pusher this morning, and its side windows looked vertical to me, or maybe only imperceptibly angled in. They looked the same as the Blue Bird TC1000's ahead of it. Just wondering.

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Really? I was following a Thomas pusher this morning, and its side windows looked vertical to me, or maybe only imperceptibly angled in. They looked the same as the Blue Bird TC1000's ahead of it. Just wondering.

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Yes Thomas sides angle in 6 degrees at the bottom of the window line.


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The jury's still out on that one.

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The jury's still out on that one.

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In what way???
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