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Old 08-28-2014, 09:45 PM   #11
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That's exactly why, but most right-wingers, like yourself, wouldn't understand the fundamental principle that is being violated by the courts decision to allow such a travesty, and sadly that's the funny part because all you flag-waving patriots who beat your chests and claim to love America so much, don't have a clue about what our bill of rights really stands for. True freedom means certain rights are not decided on by the majority, that's part of what "inalienable" means - we don't get to vote on whether or not everyone has the right to vote, we don't get to choose whether people of different races want to marry (and the same should apply to sexual preference, we're just slow learners sometimes) and we don't get to mandate a state religion. And neither should courts be allowed to infringe upon these rights, no matter what the justification.

The United States is NOT a christian nation, we are simple a nation with a majority of its citizens who are christians, but also MANY millions who are jews, muslims, hindus, budhists, bahais, atheists and more, and TRUE FREEDOM OF RELIGION, means exactly that, that no single religion has the right to dictate or impose ONE SINGLE IOTA of their belief system on the rest of us. THAT is absolutely necessary to protect the rights of everyone, not just the minority because any law that allows one group to oppress another sets a legal precedent which can always allow the reverse to happen.

And that is exactly the problem with that absolute piece of **** decision by the Supreme Court to allow a company like Hobby Lobby to infringe on the freedom of choice of it's employees based solely on their own moral/religious beliefs. You can try to parse it, or minimize it all you want but the absolute facts are that this decision allows NOT just Hobby Lobby, but any other company doing business in the U.S. to make similar decisions and place who knows what limitations on their employees choices simply because they can claim it's against their religious or moral beliefs. That is fact as many legal scholars have come to state, because you can't then limit what a religious or moral belief is. In other words, there's no way to JUST allow Christian values to be the basis of such decisions, because of our very belief in freedom of religion, this right must apply across the board to any and ALL religions.

So that means if the company you work for is purchased tomorrow by say, a Saudi Arabian conglomerate, and their board of directors are absolute devout fundamentalist Muslims who believe in Sharia law, then they are empowered by the very same legal precedent to make decisions about YOUR health care based solely on their particular beliefs, and you will be powerless to do anything about it, well except quit and go look for another job.

THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND, IT'S NOT ABOUT BIRTH CONTROL OR ABORTION OR ANY OF THAT CRAP, IT'S ABOUT YOUR RIGHT TO MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS ABOUT YOUR HEALTHCARE WITHOUT ANY INTERFERENCE WHATSOEVER BY YOUR EMPLOYER!!! COMPANIES SHOULD NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE DECISIONS WHICH ARE STRICTLY BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR DOCTOR, AND ESPECIALLY NOT BASED UPON ANY RELIGIOUS OR MORAL BELIEF SYSTEM, CHRISTIAN OR OTHERWISE.
Is that clear enough for you?
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Old 08-28-2014, 10:31 PM   #12
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Can't decide if you're yelling at me or Cal.
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The birth control thing is easily solved. ONLY individuals get the insurance. Employers should not be providing insurance. Think about it. You quit or get fired and you lose your insurance until you get in with another employer. That's dumb. If you provide your own insurance, then you can work, quit, move across country, etc and still have the same non-interrupted insurance. And since we have the "individual mandate" shoved up our tuches, then why are people complaining about the employers providing insurance? Seems redundant. I don't think employers should be providing insurance in anyway shape of form. But what do I know? I'm just one of those despised right-wing people who think the government needs to get the hell out of our personal business and only do what they were supposed to do. Which is to oversee (not rule) the interactions of the various states and to provide military protection of the country ("provide for the common defense"). I'm one of those silly people who think we have far too many laws and no law should be passed without striking an outdated law off the books. That should be at every level.

As far as Hobby Lobby goes, they did not say they objected to ALL of the birth control measures. Just the ones they call abortion pills, like the so called "morning after" pill (which the women could get from the drug store anyway without a prescription if the are 18 or older). That is what they object to offering via insurance. The typical birth control pill (like the old Ortho-novum, etc) and other types of birth control are not what they object to. Personally I think the issue of birth control needs to be clarified. Why can a woman get an abortion up to (or past if some folks get their way) 20 weeks and that's okay because it isn't a baby but a fetus. Yet the same woman can be driving to the abortion clinic, get in a wreck, lose the same fetus that she was going to abort and the poor schlub who hit her is up on manslaughter charges for the same fetus the woman was going to abort. I don't think the law should be able to have it both ways. Either a fetus isn't a baby and therefore okay to kill or it is a baby and an abortion is murder.

I paid for my own birth control for the whole 7 years I was on it. No insurance paid for it. The government didn't pay for it. I did.

BTW, thanks for the "clueless " comment. I will have to remember that.
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That's exactly why, but most right-wingers, like yourself, wouldn't understand the fundamental principle that is being violated by the courts decision to allow such a travesty, and sadly that's the funny part because all you flag-waving patriots who beat your chests and claim to love America so much, don't have a clue about what our bill of rights really stands for. True freedom means certain rights are not decided on by the majority, that's part of what "inalienable" means - we don't get to vote on whether or not everyone has the right to vote, we don't get to choose whether people of different races want to marry (and the same should apply to sexual preference, we're just slow learners sometimes) and we don't get to mandate a state religion. And neither should courts be allowed to infringe upon these rights, no matter what the justification.

The United States is NOT a christian nation, we are simple a nation with a majority of its citizens who are christians, but also MANY millions who are jews, muslims, hindus, budhists, bahais, atheists and more, and TRUE FREEDOM OF RELIGION, means exactly that, that no single religion has the right to dictate or impose ONE SINGLE IOTA of their belief system on the rest of us. THAT is absolutely necessary to protect the rights of everyone, not just the minority because any law that allows one group to oppress another sets a legal precedent which can always allow the reverse to happen.

And that is exactly the problem with that absolute piece of **** decision by the Supreme Court to allow a company like Hobby Lobby to infringe on the freedom of choice of it's employees based solely on their own moral/religious beliefs. You can try to parse it, or minimize it all you want but the absolute facts are that this decision allows NOT just Hobby Lobby, but any other company doing business in the U.S. to make similar decisions and place who knows what limitations on their employees choices simply because they can claim it's against their religious or moral beliefs. That is fact as many legal scholars have come to state, because you can't then limit what a religious or moral belief is. In other words, there's no way to JUST allow Christian values to be the basis of such decisions, because of our very belief in freedom of religion, this right must apply across the board to any and ALL religions.

So that means if the company you work for is purchased tomorrow by say, a Saudi Arabian conglomerate, and their board of directors are absolute devout fundamentalist Muslims who believe in Sharia law, then they are empowered by the very same legal precedent to make decisions about YOUR health care based solely on their particular beliefs, and you will be powerless to do anything about it, well except quit and go look for another job.

THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND, IT'S NOT ABOUT BIRTH CONTROL OR ABORTION OR ANY OF THAT CRAP, IT'S ABOUT YOUR RIGHT TO MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS ABOUT YOUR HEALTHCARE WITHOUT ANY INTERFERENCE WHATSOEVER BY YOUR EMPLOYER!!! COMPANIES SHOULD NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE DECISIONS WHICH ARE STRICTLY BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR DOCTOR, AND ESPECIALLY NOT BASED UPON ANY RELIGIOUS OR MORAL BELIEF SYSTEM, CHRISTIAN OR OTHERWISE.
Is that clear enough for you?
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NO ITS NOT

Obunghole is the person that started this goat roping of a health care crap, and sorry to tell you this:

My company...my rules,,,,if you dont like my companies insurance I AM PROVIDING for your free loading azz....leave the company get your own damn insurance or mooch off all the hard working people in america by getting your subsidized ACA insurance ....clear enough????

We are a great nation that is losing our rights due to a certain religion being shoved down our frikin throats, by a bunch of spinless "I want anything and everything given to me" group of people that want nothing but unicorns and rainbows,,,,w/o the luggage that goes with it

There is no way to please all the people all the time.....someone will always go home crying

those people? that religion? MUSLIMS

the pig sign offends us take it down .....F^%$# you

the praying at table discount, offends us.....F&^%$ you

We need extra "payed" breaks at work so we can pray......F&^%$ you

How come one religion can stomp on our rights?

Is it becauce we have a muslim as our dear leader????or is he a muslim golf pro?


DONT GET YOUR PANTIES TWISTED I am only using my 1st amendment rights

edited to hilight some stuff
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Re: Cutting/resizing bus glass

also had to add this

A certain 2A supporting, christian based fast food chain isnt open on sundays so it's employees can go to church....I love me some of that hate chicken

matter of fact I will get some today

Hate on beotches

My business....my rules......all are covered by his (CEO) 1st amendment rights

should this not be allowed????????????
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I agree with what Lorna said.
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I agree with what Lorna said.
That could be considered seditious!

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I agree with what Lorna said.
That could be considered seditious!

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after martial law...there is no .gov

so fire up the BBQ and break out the good stuff....

oops what were we taliking about?

Lorna ya'll be safe down south near the border for real....
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... Lorna ya'll be safe down south near the border for real....
Contrary to the references you see on TV and in movies, we are pretty far from the border. But one day Das Mel & I needed to go to the Sam's Club in Las Cruces (intersection of I-10 & I-25). On the way back on I-25, north of I-10, we had to go thru a border checkpoint! Now this was a good 20 miles north of Las Cruces and PAST the I-10 connection. How stupid is that. Then the fool asks us.... "are you US citizens?".... I looked at my freckle-faced-paler-than-pale daughter and she's looks at similarly complexioned me (we freckle, we don't tan... much). I looked at the man and said in my thickest Southern drawl (which I only reserve for speaking to family and certain people)... "Yes Sir, we are citizens of the United States" (please note I did not say "these here U-Nited States" but it was temping). Das Mel compliments him on his beautiful dog, of which I'm pretty sure he didn't understand 99% of what she said (but she was looking and pointing at the dog, so he did figure out what she was talking about). And we giggled about it for miles! Then we got a bit pissed. A border check point that far in the US and they never once asked for ID. Oddly enough, there are no "border" check points between Roswell and Pecos, TX.
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