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Old 08-30-2014, 10:40 AM   #21
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Re: Cutting/resizing bus glass

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That could be considered seditious
Hope so
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I'm pretty sure he didn't understand 99% of what she said
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H-HEY! My accent ain't that thick! Just on account'a it gets thicker when I'm tired or stressed out that doesn't mean anything.

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oops what were we talking about?
We were talking about how we wanted our steaks. Pass the butter, please.

Oh, and something about the dark arts behind cutting glass, which probably involves a virgin sacrifice.

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I wanted to hear it from him. I wanted to hear his specific reason.
Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me.

This is why I wanted an answer from the guy that's light on his feet directly. Das Mel, your answer was boring and lacked passion.

I know some of you might think I'm stupid, but I can sure prove it. I don't think that came out right.
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That's exactly why, but most right-wingers, like yourself, wouldn't understand the fundamental principle that is being violated by the courts decision to allow such a travesty, and sadly that's the funny part because all you flag-waving patriots who beat your chests and claim to love America so much, don't have a clue about what our bill of rights really stands for. True freedom means certain rights are not decided on by the majority, that's part of what "inalienable" means - we don't get to vote on whether or not everyone has the right to vote, we don't get to choose whether people of different races want to marry (and the same should apply to sexual preference, we're just slow learners sometimes) and we don't get to mandate a state religion. And neither should courts be allowed to infringe upon these rights, no matter what the justification.

The United States is NOT a christian nation, we are simple a nation with a majority of its citizens who are christians, but also MANY millions who are jews, muslims, hindus, budhists, bahais, atheists and more, and TRUE FREEDOM OF RELIGION, means exactly that, that no single religion has the right to dictate or impose ONE SINGLE IOTA of their belief system on the rest of us. THAT is absolutely necessary to protect the rights of everyone, not just the minority because any law that allows one group to oppress another sets a legal precedent which can always allow the reverse to happen.

And that is exactly the problem with that absolute piece of **** decision by the Supreme Court to allow a company like Hobby Lobby to infringe on the freedom of choice of it's employees based solely on their own moral/religious beliefs. You can try to parse it, or minimize it all you want but the absolute facts are that this decision allows NOT just Hobby Lobby, but any other company doing business in the U.S. to make similar decisions and place who knows what limitations on their employees choices simply because they can claim it's against their religious or moral beliefs. That is fact as many legal scholars have come to state, because you can't then limit what a religious or moral belief is. In other words, there's no way to JUST allow Christian values to be the basis of such decisions, because of our very belief in freedom of religion, this right must apply across the board to any and ALL religions.

So that means if the company you work for is purchased tomorrow by say, a Saudi Arabian conglomerate, and their board of directors are absolute devout fundamentalist Muslims who believe in Sharia law, then they are empowered by the very same legal precedent to make decisions about YOUR health care based solely on their particular beliefs, and you will be powerless to do anything about it, well except quit and go look for another job.

THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND, IT'S NOT ABOUT BIRTH CONTROL OR ABORTION OR ANY OF THAT CRAP, IT'S ABOUT YOUR RIGHT TO MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS ABOUT YOUR HEALTHCARE WITHOUT ANY INTERFERENCE WHATSOEVER BY YOUR EMPLOYER!!! COMPANIES SHOULD NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE DECISIONS WHICH ARE STRICTLY BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR DOCTOR, AND ESPECIALLY NOT BASED UPON ANY RELIGIOUS OR MORAL BELIEF SYSTEM, CHRISTIAN OR OTHERWISE.
Is that clear enough for you?
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Get a job and buy you own damned condoms. Get the flavored ones if you want. The company is paying for the insurance, I think they get to choose what it covers. If it was me, I wouldn't cover any birth control, period.
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Re: Cutting/resizing bus glass

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That's exactly why, but most right-wingers, like yourself, wouldn't understand the fundamental principle that is being violated by the courts decision to allow such a travesty, and sadly that's the funny part because all you flag-waving patriots who beat your chests and claim to love America so much, don't have a clue about what our bill of rights really stands for. True freedom means certain rights are not decided on by the majority, that's part of what "inalienable" means - we don't get to vote on whether or not everyone has the right to vote, we don't get to choose whether people of different races want to marry (and the same should apply to sexual preference, we're just slow learners sometimes) and we don't get to mandate a state religion. And neither should courts be allowed to infringe upon these rights, no matter what the justification.

The United States is NOT a christian nation, we are simple a nation with a majority of its citizens who are christians, but also MANY millions who are jews, muslims, hindus, budhists, bahais, atheists and more, and TRUE FREEDOM OF RELIGION, means exactly that, that no single religion has the right to dictate or impose ONE SINGLE IOTA of their belief system on the rest of us. THAT is absolutely necessary to protect the rights of everyone, not just the minority because any law that allows one group to oppress another sets a legal precedent which can always allow the reverse to happen.

And that is exactly the problem with that absolute piece of **** decision by the Supreme Court to allow a company like Hobby Lobby to infringe on the freedom of choice of it's employees based solely on their own moral/religious beliefs. You can try to parse it, or minimize it all you want but the absolute facts are that this decision allows NOT just Hobby Lobby, but any other company doing business in the U.S. to make similar decisions and place who knows what limitations on their employees choices simply because they can claim it's against their religious or moral beliefs. That is fact as many legal scholars have come to state, because you can't then limit what a religious or moral belief is. In other words, there's no way to JUST allow Christian values to be the basis of such decisions, because of our very belief in freedom of religion, this right must apply across the board to any and ALL religions.

So that means if the company you work for is purchased tomorrow by say, a Saudi Arabian conglomerate, and their board of directors are absolute devout fundamentalist Muslims who believe in Sharia law, then they are empowered by the very same legal precedent to make decisions about YOUR health care based solely on their particular beliefs, and you will be powerless to do anything about it, well except quit and go look for another job.

THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND, IT'S NOT ABOUT BIRTH CONTROL OR ABORTION OR ANY OF THAT CRAP, IT'S ABOUT YOUR RIGHT TO MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS ABOUT YOUR HEALTHCARE WITHOUT ANY INTERFERENCE WHATSOEVER BY YOUR EMPLOYER!!! COMPANIES SHOULD NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE DECISIONS WHICH ARE STRICTLY BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR DOCTOR, AND ESPECIALLY NOT BASED UPON ANY RELIGIOUS OR MORAL BELIEF SYSTEM, CHRISTIAN OR OTHERWISE.
Is that clear enough for you?
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CC you sound like me...I have 2 new flags for the bus now
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That's exactly why, but most right-wingers, like yourself, wouldn't understand the fundamental principle that is being violated by the courts decision to allow such a travesty, and sadly that's the funny part because all you flag-waving patriots who beat your chests and claim to love America so much, don't have a clue about what our bill of rights really stands for. True freedom means certain rights are not decided on by the majority, that's part of what "inalienable" means - we don't get to vote on whether or not everyone has the right to vote, we don't get to choose whether people of different races want to marry (and the same should apply to sexual preference, we're just slow learners sometimes) and we don't get to mandate a state religion. And neither should courts be allowed to infringe upon these rights, no matter what the justification.
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You want to talk about rights being trampled. Take a look at the 2nd amendment. It's number two and comes right after number one which protects and allows MSLSD to spew their propaganda. In California, the 2nd amendment has been shredded. It is a right that is clearly spelled out unlike your right to make someone else pay for your birth control. I don't see that one written out anywhere in the Bill of Rights. Hobby Lobby, screw them. I've never heard of them until this crap came up. At least they had the guts to fight for what they believe in. I have never been to one of their stores nor do I know where one is. How many times have you been to one or was your statement just a political one. You don't know anything more about rights than anyone else. When you stand up for my 2nd Amendment rights, I will buy your condoms.
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Re: Cutting/resizing bus glass

The thing about Hobby Lobby is that they live their beliefs. They do not open their doors on Sunday. They object to 3 specific birth controls that will effectively abort a fertilized egg. No other birth control is objected to. Nor do they want to have insurance that pays for abortions. It is against their religious beliefs. But at no time have they said that their employees can't get their own insurance that covers that stuff.
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