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Old 12-17-2015, 01:21 PM   #11
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how about this one, its the same body and build at the first picture.
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Make:BLUE BIRD BUS
Model:BLUE BIRD VISION
Class:CLASS 3 (GVW 10001 - 14000)
Category:Bus, Passenger Van
Engine Make:Cummins
New/Used:U
Engine Model:5.9

need a cdl? no right
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Old 12-17-2015, 02:08 PM   #12
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That's not an RV. It clearly seats more than 9 plus the driver. This is for California. Every state is not the same. No air brakes, no endorsement. I'm looking at it from a California standpoint. The OP said LA. Is that Los Angeles or Louisiana?

Also, if commercial, Class B required for 26,001 pounds. This looks like a party bus to me.
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Old 12-17-2015, 04:54 PM   #13
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That's not an RV. It clearly seats more than 9 plus the driver. This is for California. Every state is not the same. No air brakes, no endorsement. I'm looking at it from a California standpoint. The OP said LA. Is that Los Angeles or Louisiana?

Also, if commercial, Class B required for 26,001 pounds. This looks like a party bus to me.
I agree 100%. If you were stopped in ohio driving that thing, you would need a cdl with a passenger endorsement, regardless of what the title/registration/insurance says. It's equipped to carry people, not as an rv. And seeing as how cali is way more strict then we are, I imagine your problems will be worse. From my experience, an insurance company won't even consider insuring that as an rv. You could get commercial insurance for it but you'll have to see what that covers. Titling it as an rv shouldn't be hard. Some racers do that to their semi tractors to avoid federal licensing and fuel taxes. Whether or not it's legal depends on who you talk to and how they want to interpret the law.
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Old 12-24-2015, 04:07 PM   #14
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For CA, once it's re-titled to RV, a regular license will be all you need for anything 40 ft and under. Brown Crown is a 10 speed standard with air brakes and the regular license is good to go. Of course you should know how air brake systems work. If you plan to transport people for hire, then that's a whole different ballgame and you will be CDL all the way....as many have stated, the rules change from state to state.
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Out of state vehicle needs a VIN verification and inspection to convert title to RV. The bus in the first picture won't fly as an RV. Neither will a school bus.
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The OP still hasn't disclosed what state it is going to. At this point, I think any more input is a waste of time.
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Likewise, I've already started the drinking part.
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Old 12-27-2015, 09:08 AM   #19
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Federal CDL rules require a CDL if the vehicle can carry more than fifteen passengers in addition to the driver. It doesn't matter what the GVWR is of the vehicle.

In WA state, if the vehicle requires a driver to have a CDL to drive it you need to show proof of a USDOT number in order to get a license or license renewal.

Regardless of which state the original poster is purchasing the vehicle or where he plans to register it, if the vehicle seats more than 15 plus the driver (16 total) he will need a CDL to drive it and will be required to get a USDOT number. Those are Federal rules and apply nationwide.

If it seats 14-passengers plus the driver (15 total) or fewer all he will need is a regular driver's license.

If he is transporting his own personal vehicle across state lines with the intention to change the bus into an RV he will most likely not get into trouble. That is unless he comes across a real rule following enforcement officer who needs to generate some revenue for his jurisdiction.
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If it's an RV (with cooking, sleeping, etc modifications you can drive it with a plain ole drivers license. If it's a party bus it will most likely be subject to CDL requirements for non-modified bus operation as required for your specific vehicle.
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