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10-08-2018, 10:30 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 3
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Dirt Roads and the like
Hello! I'm looking to be the soon-proud owner of a 1996 31' RE and after doing a lot of research, it seems that RE busses are terrible for dirt and such, though this is what I mostly wanted a bus/rv for, to take it up and down mountains and such. Is there anything I can do to combat the dust getting stuck in the engine and the various other things or is it a lost cause?
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10-08-2018, 10:49 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Santa Rosa, CA
Posts: 251
Year: 2007
Coachwork: ICCORP
Chassis: CE300
Engine: DT466
Rated Cap: 16
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Most likely anything you can do to keep the dust out will cause ventilation issues - unless you put a snorkel with a blower and aux filter up top. Even then cooling will be a chore. Access will also be an issue as well.
Many overlanders put snorkels on to help with the engine breathing clean air. But with an RE, it will be tough.
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10-08-2018, 10:58 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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I ran a fair amount of dirt roads in my last RE bus.
I ran big Donaldson air filters and had to clean & replace more frequently. No issues except spending a bit more on air filters.
I will be doing some dirt backroads with my new RE but if I wanted a serious overland right I would go with a CE for the ground clearance, ease of maintenance and keeping the intake ahead of the dust.
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10-09-2018, 12:57 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Whidbey Island, WA.
Posts: 1,109
Year: 1984
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: All American
Engine: 3208 na boat anchor
Rated Cap: 2
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On my '84 rear-engined Bluebird there is kind of a snorkel. The air intake is on the passenger side rear cap, about 8 plus feet above ground level. I suppose a lot of RE buses are like that.
I wouldn't be afraid of taking it on a gravel road, other than it being a 35 foot long, 8 foot wide ex-school bus. Engine air intake would probably be the least of my worries.
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10-12-2018, 09:56 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Gonvick MN
Posts: 339
Year: 1975
Chassis: Gillig
Engine: Cat 3208t/10 speed transmission
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We have taken our rear engine bus on a few gravel roads.
Never a problem.
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10-14-2018, 10:54 PM
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Almost There
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: New Mexico (USA)
Posts: 95
Year: TBD
Coachwork: TBD (Bluebird?)
Chassis: TBD
Engine: Will be diesel
Rated Cap: As big as possible
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I plan on getting a conventional front end bus for the same thing - going where RVs don't usually go. The main reasons I'm looking at a skoolie instead of a production RV include the ruggedness and ground clearance of skoolies; they're built for dirt roads. I'm even looking into changing out the solid axles with independent suspension.
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10-14-2018, 11:29 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 8,462
Year: 1946
Coachwork: Chevrolet/Wayne
Chassis: 1- 1/2 ton
Engine: Cummins 4BT
Rated Cap: 15
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Roger the back roads...and off road areas. I am about to start on skid plates for my engine & trans.
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10-15-2018, 09:18 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Palmer, AK
Posts: 279
Year: 2004
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf T Liner MVP 11 window 32’
Engine: CAT 3126E
Rated Cap: 72
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Probably not a better place to test a skoolie than a trip to Prudhoe Bay. Love it!
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10-15-2018, 09:33 AM
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Almost There
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: New Mexico (USA)
Posts: 95
Year: TBD
Coachwork: TBD (Bluebird?)
Chassis: TBD
Engine: Will be diesel
Rated Cap: As big as possible
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tugboater
Probably not a better place to test a skoolie than a trip to Prudhoe Bay. Love it!
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Holy crap! Prudhoe Bay, AK - 500 miles NORTH of Fairbanks. On the shore of the Arctic Ocean. What an adventure! That wouldn't just test the skoolie, it would test the driver...and passengers. I'm thinking it isn't the destination, but the journey. (?)
I see that your wheelbase is very short (lots of tail swing and even nose swing). Do you have any issues with grounding out the front or back on bumps or abrupt changes in grade?
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10-15-2018, 02:48 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Palmer, AK
Posts: 279
Year: 2004
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf T Liner MVP 11 window 32’
Engine: CAT 3126E
Rated Cap: 72
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Hi G Dub-
I was commenting on Alan N's photos. I've spent lots of time in Deadhorse/Prudhoe...but never driven a bus there. As for our bus, we purchased it not long ago & are just getting started with our conversion. I'm brand new to this hobby & too inexperienced of a bus driver answer your question. However, I'm sure I'll test it's limits soon enough. Seems to me most motorhomes & travel trailers have worse clearance than our bus though.
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10-15-2018, 03:35 PM
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#11
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Almost There
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: New Mexico (USA)
Posts: 95
Year: TBD
Coachwork: TBD (Bluebird?)
Chassis: TBD
Engine: Will be diesel
Rated Cap: As big as possible
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tugboater
Hi G Dub-
I was commenting on Alan N's photos. I've spent lots of time in Deadhorse/Prudhoe...but never driven a bus there. As for our bus, we purchased it not long ago & are just getting started with our conversion. I'm brand new to this hobby & too inexperienced of a bus driver answer your question. However, I'm sure I'll test it's limits soon enough. Seems to me most motorhomes & travel trailers have worse clearance than our bus though.
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Well, keep those things in mind. Looks like a good bus.
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10-16-2018, 07:59 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Gonvick MN
Posts: 339
Year: 1975
Chassis: Gillig
Engine: Cat 3208t/10 speed transmission
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tugboater
Probably not a better place to test a skoolie than a trip to Prudhoe Bay. Love it!
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It looks like you have done a bit of traveling with your family as well.
The drive to prudhoe bay was awesome!
If you ever wanted to go, Go!
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10-20-2018, 04:07 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Oregon
Posts: 40
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: MPV Pusher
Engine: 8.3 Cummins Mechanical
Rated Cap: 84
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40ft Thomas RE... OFFROAD
I have taken my 96 Thomas RE off-road several times now for a total of about 900 miles on gravel dusty roads...
Take a spare air filter....
Run GOOD TIRES
Think before you over commit a overly tight situation....
I have done nothing special to my ride.. All stock... Just service it regular. And check things over at each service... If you become one with your ride... You will know if and when something rattles loose due to rough roads....
I have put just over 45k on mine now...
It servesour needs well..
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10-21-2018, 07:36 AM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 152
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Attachment 1
I have a Amtran RE and I’m pretty sure it’d be fine in dusty conditions, pretty sure the top part of my air intake is a dust separator. And it’s high up.
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10-21-2018, 07:39 AM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 152
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Having having a weird error that displays a battery diagram instead of the photo I took....
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10-21-2018, 08:09 AM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 242
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Quote:
Originally Posted by G Dub
I plan on getting a conventional front end bus for the same thing - going where RVs don't usually go. The main reasons I'm looking at a skoolie instead of a production RV include the ruggedness and ground clearance of skoolies; they're built for dirt roads. I'm even looking into changing out the solid axles with independent suspension.
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I really can’t see the big advantage of the RE buses. I’d think you would regret that choice every time a little engine maintenance or repair was needed.
To G dub i’d Maybe switch to air ride front and rear but NEVER give up my straight axles.
(I did swap my Ford to a freightliner air ride on the rear.). Best time/money investment there is on large truck.
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10-21-2018, 03:48 PM
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#17
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Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 152
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekanic
I really can’t see the big advantage of the RE buses. I’d think you would regret that choice every time a little engine maintenance or repair was needed.
To G dub i’d Maybe switch to air ride front and rear but NEVER give up my straight axles.
(I did swap my Ford to a freightliner air ride on the rear.). Best time/money investment there is on large truck.
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RE is a trade off, better traction on snow/ice/mud etc, mine has a shorter wheel base than a similar sized dog nose bus, the bus is not noisy while driving, and I love being able to see so well from the huge front windows. But some things are a PITA to get to in the engine compartment and the inside of the base has more odd shaped things that have to be built around.
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10-21-2018, 06:35 PM
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#18
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 8,462
Year: 1946
Coachwork: Chevrolet/Wayne
Chassis: 1- 1/2 ton
Engine: Cummins 4BT
Rated Cap: 15
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And...don't forget that "cooling" thing. Most RE's will benefit greatly from an airflow upgrade.
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10-21-2018, 08:20 PM
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#19
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Gonvick MN
Posts: 339
Year: 1975
Chassis: Gillig
Engine: Cat 3208t/10 speed transmission
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I thought I wanted a conventional front engine bus. Until I drove a bus with the engine in the back.
I have found maintenance to be easy, most regular maintenance items can be accessed easily with both feet on the ground.
As for over heating never a problem.
Ground clearance is not as good as a conventional bus however.
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10-22-2018, 10:25 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan N
I thought I wanted a conventional front engine bus. Until I drove a bus with the engine in the back.
I have found maintenance to be easy, most regular maintenance items can be accessed easily with both feet on the ground.
As for over heating never a problem.
Ground clearance is not as good as a conventional bus however.
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If I were going to be driving places that demand the ground clearance that a CE provides then I would consider one. Otherwise I'll stick with my RE's.
I find an RE to be FAR more comfortable to drive. More maneuverable, quieter, better visibility and ride.
Access to the engine is very good. Not quite as good as a CE though.
The great thing about building a skoolie is that we each get to pick we suits each of us individually.
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