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Old 02-20-2007, 03:03 PM   #1
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So... What combination of engine, transmission, rear end and body would make every one's knees tremble with anticipation???
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Old 02-20-2007, 07:35 PM   #2
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I am really happy with my DT466 and AT545......only thing that could make it better is if it had the AT643 in it. 7 hours is the longest that I have driven it, did 11 mpg pulling a 7K trailer.

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Old 02-20-2007, 08:12 PM   #3
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The best bus is Crown

These buses were made for a very long tima at about 80 years. The body shape changed little and remains a good looking bus. The Crowns were made in several lengths including 35 and 40 feet. The engines of modern Crown buses have been Cummins and Detroit diesel. The engine have been located midbody under floor and later buses were pushers. Crown buses were made as postal units, tour buses, city buses and school buses. Mostly Crown buses are found mostly on the left coast in Ca, Wa, Or, Az, and occasionally in other nearby states. The last buses were made about 1991. The beautiful rounded bodies are a design of old world class. Mechanical parts are easily found. Ca is presently destroying many Crown buses to satisfy the new clean air laws. Used Crown buses seem to slowly increasing in price and value as the bus is discovered. Average price for a Crown is between $3500 and $5000. There is high degree os parts interchange from many years models. Every time I get into my Crown, my face becomes a smile. I've tried the Greyhounds, transits and other tour buses. Nothing beats a Crown bus. Frank
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Old 02-20-2007, 10:56 PM   #4
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I agree with Frank, if they had Crowns around here I would own one. They have such a classic look to them that other buses have not had in 30 years.
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It's a twinkie with headlights and wheels. I sure wouldn't mind one with a 671 and 10 speed road ranger.

As for my bus...my body and chassis could have been speced with the 7.8 Brazilian, 13 speed Road Ranger, and air ride. While the 7.8 doesn't have the following that the DT466 does, it does have plenty of power and is reliably simple. The 13 speed would be great for mileage, pulling hills, etc. Heck...even the RT6610 10 speed would have been ok. And honestly...how many of us WOULDN'T want air ride?
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Old 02-21-2007, 04:04 AM   #6
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And honestly...how many of us WOULDN'T want air ride?
Ooooo Air Ride.....

Can't remember where I read about some carrier beam problems... Something to do with drive shaft geometry I think...CRS (Can't Remember S***t) strikes again!!

But I digress, what about the rear end? I'm a little confused as to what I should look for if I'm planning on hooking up a toad given that the engine will probably be a Cummins 5.9 with a MT643...

Whachya'll think ????

BTW Crowns DO have that classic look about them...
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Toad or not, I don't think you need to be gearing for power unless you plan to sped A LOT of time in the hills. My bus has 4.56 gears and that's all the lower (numerically higher) I'd like to be geared. A two speed rear end would be nice, even with an automatic.
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Old 02-21-2007, 04:16 AM   #8
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So a 4.11 is not a good idea???
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4.11 would be a GOOD idea. Low gears are numerically high. 4.10 is a "higher" ratio than 4.56. It is counterintuitive. At freeway speeds our buses make plenty of power and do not need that extra gear reduction. The higher gears will give you a better top end, a happier engine, and better mileage. Many buses were geared in a compromise range, mine included. 4.56 wasn't ideal for log trips, but was better for the typical start and stop traffic a bus on a rural route might see. A bus in a city like Duluth here might have 6.17 gears. The distance between stops is short and this town is on something like a 6% average grade. You'll notice that often the same buses are used by high school sports teams for "away" games. This is because they were speced with the best gearing for the job, underbody storage, etc. Those are the ones we want as converters.
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Known as Activity buses or Field Trip buses.

I'm still hoping to find more information on two speed rear ends. A servicable
used "pumpkin" might cost a heck of a lot less than a Gear Vendors unit! If anybody
has a clue, my rear axle is a Spicer J-190-S according to the build sheet.

About finding an Allison MT643 behind a Cummins 5.9, or any engine below 235 HP,
look for a GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) above 30.000 Lbs. The AT545 is
limited to 30.000 Lbs and 235 HP.

(Edited to correct HP rating.)
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