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Old 02-20-2016, 07:45 PM   #11
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When flat towing there are a lot of things that come into play including the geometry of the rear bumper swing. On some of the Type 'D' FE buses the rear bumper swing can cover a lot of ground before it follows along around the corner.

The other real concern when it comes to towing four down is it has become a rigidly enforced law in a lot of jurisdictions in the west and Canada that requires supplemental braking in anything that weighs over 2,000 lbs. regardless of the size of the tow vehicle. Using a dolly or a trailer eliminates the problem of getting an auxiliary braking system for your toad and excess wear on your toad's tires.

In regards to weight, a car trailer designed and built to carry a small toad will not weight that much more than a slightly larger toad. Now if you are talking about a 40' double decker garage trailer with four axles that is a totally different conversation.

Personally, I would much rather have my car on a trailer that is wide enough to be seen in the bus mirrors so I can see what is going on behind me. There have been more than a couple of instances where people have continued on down the road long after a tire has gone flat on a toad. In one particular instance the people went so far that they were dragging the toad along on the rim causing fires to start over many miles. IIRC the owner of the moho who did it was charged with negligence. In addition, he and his insurance company had to cough up $$$$$$$$$$$ to pay for putting the fire out.
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Old 02-21-2016, 04:57 AM   #12
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I never understood toads. you invest 2x as much just in equipment to tow the vehicle than a tow dolly, then when it comes time to sell the toad, you have DECREASED the value of the car by having all those bits put on.

tow dolly if you cant afford a trailer. yeah, its a bit of a pain, BUT it doesnt decrease the value of the vehicle being towed, and you put way less wear on it by just pulling it by the rear tires and putting all the braking force onto the dolly. if you want to upgrade to a trailer, you can sell the dolly, and get the trailer. you dont get much of your investment back with flat towing, if any at all.
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Old 02-21-2016, 07:38 AM   #13
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I know our car dolly comes in really handy at times.
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Old 02-21-2016, 09:41 AM   #14
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having talked to motorhome owners that had dollies loved them, or hated them. the biggest problem was loading and un loading, you have to strap the front tires down which is a pain and when the weather is crappy its no fun, down the road you have to check and tighten the straps again, also when your at a camp site you have to find some where to store the dolly. when you tow 4 down its a madder of 5 mins and your on the road, most people will never go back to a dolly after you tow 4 down. also when your in a spot where you need to back up much faster to unhitch a 4 down and move your bus. I would rather have a trailer that way you can back up with out unhitching, and no wear and tear on your car, but it all works well dolly, trailer 4 down it all has its pros and cons, ill have my little sonic set up for 4 down.
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I back my Kar kaddy often, as long a it's in a straight line. I lock out the steerable wheels on the dolly. Learned from driving CDL and watching pros X chain their full trailer steers to back long distances.

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Old 02-21-2016, 11:25 AM   #16
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I back my Kar kaddy often, as long a it's in a straight line. I lock out the steerable wheels on the dolly. Learned from driving CDL and watching pros X chain their full trailer steers to back long distances.

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how does your bus handle towing? what do you have for a tranny?, right now i'm concerned how my t444e with AT545 will handle towing a car, maybe I'm just over thinking it
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Old 02-21-2016, 11:28 AM   #17
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We chose not to dolly and to flat tow for the following reasons;

Our vehicle can't be flat towed or dollied without unhooking the drive line. We are going to install a drive line disconnect mechanism.

I want to be able to stop the bus, get the family out and hop into our toad with minimal steps necessary. So unstrapping and unloading from a dolly isn't something I want to do.

Unhooking the tow bar, pinning it up, undoing an electrical chord and an air line is all I will have to do to drive my toad. The air brake controller I'm putting into my toad will be out of the way and won't need to be disconnected to drive it.
When we get back from our little venture in our toad then I can just pull up to the bus, rebook up the tow bar, electric and air and off we go!
That's our plan
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how does your bus handle towing? what do you have for a tranny?, right now i'm concerned how my t444e with AT545 will handle towing a car, maybe I'm just over thinking it
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Our 545 doesn't seem to mind a bit. We've towed about 5000 miles so far and the ATF still looks Ok, not brown or burnt. Lots of hills were we go. From PHX to Flagstaff for example is 10,000ft of climbing netting 6000 ft of el. gain. We are 20,000# plus tow.
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