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Old 05-19-2016, 05:32 PM   #71
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you say you have not removed the interior walls? I'd do that first and check the ribs out. If they are degraded to a point of needing replaced, I'd look for another bus that needs the trans/motor combo you have. That looks like it may have leaked inside too.....
I was thinking this too!
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Old 05-19-2016, 09:07 PM   #72
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Yep...you definitely need to look inside the walls. If the rust is that bad on the outer skin, the ribs themselves may be toast and you'll never have a solid structure. I wound up replacing both the inner and outer skins as my ribs were OK. I could have done a little less but frankly replacing most of the outer skin was easier.
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Old 05-19-2016, 09:32 PM   #73
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Hey Guys sorry for my delayed response.
No the interior walls are gone, just the lower section / seat rail section is still in place.

When, I went to address the rust in in and above the rear wheel well I noticed the rust on the inside face of the outer skin.

As, I looked between each rib section I found more and more areas of concern. I did a rough estimate of ripping out and patching parts of body panels.

I broke it down to two parts, above floor and below floor outer skin sections. Once, I hit a dozen out of about two dozen I had to face the possibility of replacing everything rather than having patch work like the Partridge bus.

The ribs above the wheel wells, the bottom foot or so are horrible. Both ribs above the rear wheel wells don't connect to the floor or anything. They just dead end, which surprised me. So, losing the bottom foot or two doesn't seem to impact the immediate structure since they are not attached to anything haha.

If, I replace the skin. I will add structural reinforcements for those ribs as well as new wheel wells. I was told that the lower interior wall / seat rail was structural and to leave it alone.

If I am going to reskin the outside, I guess it wouldn't hurt to replace the lower interior wall section too.

The rest of the ribs look good enough. Nothing a little attention with the skin removed wouldn't solve.
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That's tough luck on the rust issue. You've been making such nice progress.
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Oh don't worry Robin, it will get there.
As Clark Griswold once said,
"This is a full blown mission"

As my plan starts to formulate in my mind for replacing the skin.
I am starting to see a new vision of my Bus taking shape.
A lot more work but hey, it is a labor of love.
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Every setback is an opportunity to do something new. Naaaa, actually it just sounds like a lot of work.

Yeah, I'm not sure I've fallen for this bus yet. I think we just need to get to know each other a little. The other day someone said their medium bus like this was varsing on the highway. I didn't know what that is but I do know what it's like to try to keep this thing in the center of a lane. Nice tiny house, but it drives like... well it varses.
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Hello Folks,
I snuck the Bus to work this afternoon as one of the maintenance guys is a retired diesel mechanic.
He was kind enough to give the bus a look.
He confirmed the body panels are cooked.
The ribs are in good order.
The rust on a couple of the ribs needs attention but, he said once the skin is off a little TLC would get them back to ship shape.
The rub rails are for the most part dead.
He suggested a few things:

1. Contact local shops and get estimates on having new rub rails made or having new replacement rub rails designed (2" angle iron cut or steel tubing, folded, squared and pre drilled) to attach as replacement rub rails.)to replace these rails.

2. Rather than riveting the new skin on to contact a few body shops as new glues and adhesives work better than welding or rivets given the industrial size of our bus rivets.

3. Once the skin is off, do floor section replacement and rust removal to the under carriage.

Once the rub rails problem is solved, the undercarriage is ready and the floor is done, then button up the skin. He told me to prime everything before hand too.

I am planning to change the bus a little, doing a lift and extending the skirt down about 8 inches. That way, two 4 foot panels will fit perfectly without needing to shorten or cut several sheets of steel for the skin.

What do you guys think?
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If you are replacing the outer shell, be sure to build in some stiffness along the bottom edge. You can attach something like angle iron or have a shop fold it over double. That's what I did on mine. Keeps it from flapping in the wind and creating sound effects.
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Tango,
I thought of that but, wasn't going to overload the thread by asking yet.
Thank you for beating me to the punch.
I was thinking to had some lighter frame work for the extended skirt and replacement skin toward the bottom of the lower skin.
I need to add structural support over the wheel wells in the walls for those two unsupported ribs plus, more support wouldn't hurt for the original replacement of the rusted wheel well areas.

I think it will end up going well overall, a lot more work but worth it.
Knowing exactly what I have and its condition is worth the effort and material.

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Smile Rub Rail Removal

Well, today I got one full rub rail removed and 3/4ths of a second of all four on the drivers side.

It was easier than, I had thought it would be. The only rivets that needed grinding were the rivets mounted into the ribs of the bus. The rest smaller rivets, I was able to pry through the outer skin without much trouble. Two at a time in most attempts.

Here are some pictures of the horrible rust behind the rails. The front few feet of the rub rails were sealed to prevent water from getting in but, the last 90% of the rub rails were not.







It is surprising the amount of rust and overall condition of the skin behind the rub rails. You can see why I have decided to remove and replace the entire skin of the bus. Well, everything besides the roof, it is in good shape.

What do you guys think?
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