Ford Tranny 5 speed w/ built in OD????

Rocky624 · 10-02-2006, 03:30 PM

Somebody ...I forgot who??? when I 1st got my ShortBus (WAYNE) suggested I could use a 5 speed manual Ford that is used 4... 1 ton application....since my bus is the Short lighter version this trans would work and give me a little more top end speed + thus gaining a little fuel economy???
Governed @ 3,500 and wanna keep that...
Engine is a 370 ci which if I understand correctly is a 351 Cleveland 4 Truck application...
Soooooo with that said can U tell me the Tranny name and or # I should B lookin 4....
THANKS in advance...
Rocky

the_experience03 · 10-02-2006, 07:37 PM

Be looking for a ZF 5 or 6 speed. Most older 1 ton's (and larger) cab chassis or 7.3 powered pickups should have one if it's a manual. I'm not sure the exact model number, but I'm pretty sure there was only one ZF used anyway. You could also try and find a New Venture 4500 or NV5600 (5 or 6 speed respectively) from a Chevy or Ford and contact Advance Adapters to see what you need to fit it to that motor. There might have even been an SAE application bellhousing for it which would greatly simplify things. The last option would be a Clark 5 speed, but I'm not sure how many of those old buggers had overdrive. Many were just a regular close ratio 4 speed with a granny low. Popular in the offroad world....not so sure for a bus. I will keep my eyes open and see what I can find for you.

the_experience03 · 10-02-2006, 07:57 PM

Ok...here's what I found....two of the tranny codes for the ZF are 42 and 47. I don't know the specifics of either one though there is a 5 speed and a 6 speed available. Both look like they will fit either the diesel or the gasser, but I really have no idea. As best as I can tell, the block side of things on your 370 is the same as the other 385 series Ford big blocks (370, 429, 460, 512).

Advance Adapters sells a kit to mate an dodge NV4500 to your Ford bellhousing. I'm not trying to downplay the ZF...it may in fact be a better transmission, but I know the New Venture stuff a little better. The NV4500 is one of the most popular transmissions in the fourwheeling world. I know an NV4500/Atlas II combo is considered to be "bulletproof." The kit is about $275 plus you would need to source a 2wd NV4500 out of a dodge pickup. I believe, but am not positive that the years you would want would be >93, but 93 might have been the first year. I can't remember for sure, but will keep looking on that front for you as well.

https://eshop.advanceadapters.com/co...=1159836663590

You would obviously want to call them and make sure it will work for your application. Looks like a pretty cheap conversion though. While you're there, order me up one of their new two bearing toyota dual transfercase setups.....

the_experience03 · 10-02-2006, 08:24 PM

One more update....

The ZF tranny should work. Getting one from behind a 460 should ensure this. MAke sure you get a 2wd version obviously. Also, take the master and slave cylinder as well as the crossmember and rear drive yoke. All those parts will make adapting stuff easier.

The NV4500 should hold up better is the general consensus from the guys I've talked to, but I'm not sure it's a big enough difference to care. Both are used for the same general application. The NV4500 might be cheaper though. It will require some other mods just like the ZF in that you will have to adapt the clutch hydraulics, build a crossmember, and get a new driveshaft made up.

Best of luck

Rocky624 · 10-02-2006, 10:56 PM

THANK U !!! so much I'd B @ a total loss without your assistance and knowledge...I just wish I could B of more Help 2 others...
Means alot...This place is da BEST
Rocky

kee · 10-03-2006, 09:52 AM

When I was originally planning on putting a Ford 5.0 in my Jeep, that is the transmission I was looking for. I found a few using http://www.car-part.com/ but they weren't cheap... Good luck...

Jarlaxle · 10-08-2006, 02:33 PM

The 370 is NOT related to the 351C in any way. It's derived from the 385/Lima series 429 & 460 engines (the 370 & 429 share crankshafts, in fact). Assuming the same bell pattern (should be), a ZF from a 460 truck should work. However, the aluminum-case ZF isn't the strongest trans out there...I'd hesitate to use one in even a short bus. Clark had an OD 5-speed (the 280VO series, IIRC) for MDT's--I'd hunt for one of those.

the_experience03 · 10-08-2006, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jarlaxle

The 370 is NOT related to the 351C in any way. It's derived from the 385/Lima series 429 & 460 engines (the 370 & 429 share crankshafts, in fact).

I'm confused...who said it was? I said it was a member of the 385 series (370, 429, 460, 512). As for using it in a 5.0 powered Jeep, A.A. makes anything possible.

paul iossi · 12-12-2006, 11:43 PM

call GOODY'S truck parts in toledo, they are not cheap but have alot of knowledge and have been very helpful in the past.
they specialize in big truck parts, but they are 3rd generation and have an aamazing inventory and knowledge of driveline parts, explain your situation and ask for advice.
it helps to know what bolt pattern is on your bellhousung and the length of your input shaft, pilot and throwout beaqrings can be changed to fit, input shaft spline count and diameter can be fixed with a clutch disc change, (same od as existing clutch or larger if it will bolt up)

Rocky624 · 12-13-2006, 08:20 AM

Thankssssssssss 4 the INFO...I'll call em 2 Day...

Rocky

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