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Old 12-22-2006, 12:19 PM   #11
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WVO water seperators and H20 filter/additive cartridge.

Thanks. All new important info for me.

I'll check on both the WVO water seperator and H20 filter additive cartridge service record.

I do know that the WVO fuel tank is insulated and on the bottom of the tank is a drain to let any settled water out of tank.
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Old 12-22-2006, 03:47 PM   #12
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racor and goldenrod both make water seperator/ filter setups, highly recommended on any diesel , and even more so on WVO the cost is pocket change compared to pump and injector work / repair
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Old 12-23-2006, 12:10 AM   #13
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If the bus was originally sold to the seller by Greg I would email or call Greg and ask him about the bus. He sold my bus to the first owner and he knew that bus inside and out.

From the prices I have seen that sounds like a good price for a rear engine BlueBird epsically with an 8.3. It is probably a 250HP with an MT643. Many of those buses even came with a retarder (MTB643). Again I would call Greg and find out everything you could ever want to know about the bus.

Like Les said if it has good rubber that is a $2000 savings. Tires are not cheap. Rust is another thing to look at. Since you are in AZ it probably is not a problem unless the bus came from the rust belt. Again Greg can tell you what school it came from and what condition it was in when he sold it.
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Old 12-23-2006, 01:01 AM   #14
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Contacting Greg.

Yes, I agree, I wrote Greg several days ago, then again two days ago. Again yesterday.

No response. May have to call.
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Old 12-23-2006, 02:15 AM   #15
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Hi guys:

I'm not going to try to evaluate a bus I cannot see, but for comparison:
I just paid $5.500,- for my 1992 Blue Bird TC2000 front engine 40-footer
with 189.715 miles. Bought it from First Student in Oregon. Cummins 5,9
and MT643, air brakes. Servicable tires. Some dents, no rust.
It had been sitting for sale for at least one year, maybe two. I saw it on
the internet a year ago at $6.500, then later at $6.000. I started by
offering $2.000 "due to the dents", but she would not go below 5.500.
Having driven it home and started converting it, I'm glad I bought it.
At the same time, there are bargains out there -- my local school
district sold a decent running 1981 Gillig pusher with 3208 and
MT643 for $20,- early this year.

I doubt a 250 HP 8.3 would be hooked to an AT545, since those are
only rated for 235 HP.

Keep investigating and then do what feels right. Good luck,
and Merry Christmas!
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Old 12-23-2006, 03:45 PM   #16
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More on the BB All-American w/ 250 miles.

The trans is a MT643.
Owner claims he is loosing $4000. on the deal selling at $5900.
Asking what the 4K was spent on.

Sure do appreciate all the feedback.

Got photo's of the bus, looks real nice.

So I buy it with 250K miles, convert it (invest another $5-10K??) drive it a few years and add another 50K to the odometer. Then I decide to sell it with even more miles . . . . . . . hummmm. I realize a conversion is monetarily a losing proposition, but---
It would be easier for me if it was a deal or lower mileage, for sure.
Now I'm rambling on. Later.
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Old 12-23-2006, 06:34 PM   #17
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Get the current owner to find out the horsepower rating for that particular engine. It will be posted on or around the valve cover. Like with all diesels, it will come in various hp ratings from the manufacturer. Why is this important? Because my high output version of the Ford 6.6 only has 10 hp less than the low output version of the 7.8 Ford diesel and that 10 hp wouldn't be worth the price gouge you might get for having the "bigger" motor. Of course a higher horsepower rating is only a turn of a wrench on the injecter pump away...
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Old 12-23-2006, 08:40 PM   #18
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Re: More on the BB All-American w/ 250 miles.

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Originally Posted by greyguzziart
The trans is a MT643.
Owner claims he is loosing $4000. on the deal selling at $5900.
Asking what the 4K was spent on.

Sure do appreciate all the feedback.

Got photo's of the bus, looks real nice.

So I buy it with 250K miles, convert it (invest another $5-10K??) drive it a few years and add another 50K to the odometer. Then I decide to sell it with even more miles . . . . . . . hummmm. I realize a conversion is monetarily a losing proposition, but---
It would be easier for me if it was a deal or lower mileage, for sure.
Now I'm rambling on. Later.
So far with the engine and transmission you've got another 50K miles isn't even a hiccup. Or to put it another way...the 250K that's on it now is probably like 60k or 70k on a pickup. Enough that you should think about it and make sure the rest of the bus is ok but not enough that mileage alone should worry you.
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Old 12-23-2006, 11:06 PM   #19
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Les is right 250k on an 8.3 is not a lot of miles. If it is in good shape (rust) the miles are not that big a deal. Most likely if it has an 8.3 it will be 250HP you will have to look to be sure though. Also do you know what the rear end gear ratio is? Hopefully it has highway gears.
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Old 12-26-2006, 07:21 PM   #20
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It was 260K Miles, not 250K miles. Also smoked.

Checked out the BB All American mentioned in this post. It had 10K miles more than I was told. Grrrrrr! I was pleased that it was not yellow, but the bus was not preped right before it was sprayed. Grrrrr! When we started it it cranked up on first turn (oil pressure 60psi) but smoked. This was in the Phoenix area and the temp was about 65-70?? Even after the engine was warm, the smoke eased up but never quit. When I accelerated, another big black cloud rolled out. It has a new air compressor, tires were fair, entrance step rotted out (weak), all windows were very good. He lowered the price to $4500. but still, with the mileage and smoke, it doesn't look good.
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