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Old 10-05-2007, 12:39 PM   #41
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Just what I read when I was researching the engine class. Perhaps that information is old and outdated or just plain wrong. But, I have a friend with a 3208 Cat out of a 96 (ish) Topkick that he had to start using Ether in the middle of winter to get the truck started. Now it needs Ether every time...even in the summer. I've been standing at the air cleaner with ether can in hand while he cranked it on more than a few occasions. So I'm just a little more paranoid, I guess.
It's probably got another problem than being dependent on ether. Something like the problem Phillbus had with air getting into the fuel lines. Anyways, ever seated a tire on a rim with ether? That's a whole lot more scary than starting an engine with it! I had to seat a tire on a 8" boat trailer rim out in the middle of nowhere with ether once. I just sprayed a few seconds of ether into the tire and threw a match at it. I thought my friends and I were all going to die. It worked after a few tries though. BOOM!!! Tire's set. Let's go...
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I know something about chemical dependency -- mine is chocolate chip mint ice cream.

That Cat definitely had something else wrong with it, yes. (IMHO)

For seating tires, try a rope or strap around it instead. Squeezing the tread in, forces the bead out. A rope and a stick to twist with, like a lug wrench, is all you need. Last time one of our mechanics tried seating a tire with ether, the FD came out and took pictures of his scorched overalls.

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For seating tires, try a rope or strap around it instead. Squeezing the tread in, forces the bead out. A rope and a stick to twist with, like a lug wrench, is all you need. Last time one of our mechanics tried seating a tire with ether, the FD came out and took pictures of his scorched overalls.
I have used this method many times myself, works quite well without the pyrotechnics. I have also seen the "ether seals" method turn a couple people into Easter Seals candidates! (NOT recommended.) Plus, rope and tire irons can be stored anywhere as they are not quite so flammable, and if you're not carrying a tire iron and rope or tie-down strap(s) with you anyway, you ought to turn in your bussing merit badge!
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Old 10-05-2007, 04:38 PM   #44
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Re: Hard time starting my 5.9 Cummins this weekend

on the cat 3208 engines, they had some issues with hairline cracks in the fuel lines at the fittings near the fuel filterand primer assembly usually caused by missin g fuel line support brackets or clamps allowing vibration to caue stress fractures, check for loss of prime/air in the fuel system by going thru the prime process if their is ny evidence of air in the system loosen the fuel nuts and inspect the lines at the flline side of the flare backup for a hairline crack that can let air in bujt not necessarly fuel out because thes lines are suction and not under pressure. replacethe damaged line and install the proper brackets and clamps to support the lines and save the either for someone else's engine, maybe some that has dissed you in the past
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Old 10-05-2007, 05:00 PM   #45
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Re: Hard time starting my 5.9 Cummins this weekend

i've tried and never had any luck with the ether method. I have had good luck with either a string and stick, or using a ratchet tie down strap. Ratchet straps are my preference. I don't know if you could squish a bus tire much, but this method works great on lawn mower tires, super swampers, and the like.
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its a fine line between not enough cheap either,to much cheap either and a darwin award
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I just started Millicent after she sat for a month.

You know those cloak-and-dagger movies where the guy with all the fake passports gets in a car and gets blown to smithereens the moment he turns the key?

Well, that's how Millicent started today. I turned the key, and she was running.

I'm a'tellin' 'ya... fresh fuel lines and a brand new starter! Leave the ether to the bums on skid row.
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I have done the ratchet strap method before, but we were on the side of the road about 40 miles from anywhere. All I had was a crappy rope and it was breaking. A farmer came along and had some ether. He was about 80 years old and told me what to do. He was ducked down behind his truck every time I threw the match too. It eventually worked though!
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