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Old 05-22-2019, 06:06 PM   #1
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How to remove seats without a partner or an angle grinder?

I don't have a friend available to help with seat removal for longer than I feel comfortable leaving the seats in. I don't have access to enough electricity to run an angle grinder, and the bolts sit in these little indentations in the feet of the seats, so I don't think an angle grinder would even be effective in getting into the holes.

Are there any other ways to hold the bottom nut in place without needing a human under there with a wrench? Or to hold the top of the bolt so i can remove the nut from below?
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Old 05-22-2019, 06:10 PM   #2
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1 option that only works occasionally is if the bolts and nuts are tight, put an impact driver on them and try and tighten them, sometimes they are tight enough the head will just snap off. If the nut turns, lots of running back and forth with Vise Grips on one end of the bolt. Multiple Vise Grips mean fewer trips.
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Old 05-22-2019, 07:00 PM   #3
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I don't have a friend available to help with seat removal for longer than I feel comfortable leaving the seats in. I don't have access to enough electricity to run an angle grinder, and the bolts sit in these little indentations in the feet of the seats, so I don't think an angle grinder would even be effective in getting into the holes.

Are there any other ways to hold the bottom nut in place without needing a human under there with a wrench? Or to hold the top of the bolt so i can remove the nut from below?
I bought a few pairs of cheap locking pliers and clamped onto the bolt heads on top, then crawled underneath with a socket wrench. Good ab workout too.
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Old 05-22-2019, 07:09 PM   #4
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I did it solo.... vise grips are the way to go. the more you have, the less climbing in and out from under the bus.

"don't have enough electricity" or none at all? hold the nut on the bottom and removing the bolt from inside is easier and less messy. As the nut breaks apart debris falls.
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Old 05-22-2019, 08:30 PM   #5
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I don't have a friend available to help with seat removal for longer than I feel comfortable leaving the seats in. I don't have access to enough electricity to run an angle grinder, and the bolts sit in these little indentations in the feet of the seats, so I don't think an angle grinder would even be effective in getting into the holes.

Are there any other ways to hold the bottom nut in place without needing a human under there with a wrench? Or to hold the top of the bolt so i can remove the nut from below?
Can you post a pic of these seat legs? If it's a "normal" bus seat there should be no problem getting to the bolt heads with an angle grinder.
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Old 05-22-2019, 08:33 PM   #6
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For the electricity, it's pretty easy to find a cheap (<$100) generator on Craigslist. When I started on my bus I spent a lot of time trying to find a workspot that had electricity without realizing how easy it is to provide your own. Water is a lot harder to get than power (for me, at least).
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Old 05-22-2019, 08:51 PM   #7
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I saw a picture on here somewhere where a guy put a bottle jack under the seat, and broke the seats off. The bolts didn’t break. The seats did.
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Old 05-22-2019, 09:23 PM   #8
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Can you post a pic of these seat legs? If it's a "normal" bus seat there should be no problem getting to the bolt heads with an angle grinder.
I think it just comes down to the brand. I looked at an IC and the bolt heads were accessible because the metal leg was welded to a small foot which provided the mounting hole whereas the Thomas had the bolt head recessed inside a divot created by bending the steel leg end into a toe and this bending created the divot. Probably not an issue for the manufacturer but bedeviling for someone trying to remove those seats.

If not angle grinding does anyone have experience with an impact chisel on the bolt head? Just whack that sucker off and let the rest fall through the floor to the ground.
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Old 05-22-2019, 11:30 PM   #9
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I think it just comes down to the brand. I looked at an IC and the bolt heads were accessible because the metal leg was welded to a small foot which provided the mounting hole whereas the Thomas had the bolt head recessed inside a divot created by bending the steel leg end into a toe and this bending created the divot. Probably not an issue for the manufacturer but bedeviling for someone trying to remove those seats.

If not angle grinding does anyone have experience with an impact chisel on the bolt head? Just whack that sucker off and let the rest fall through the floor to the ground.
It is a 2003 Thomas. I was able to get the generator to work today to remove the head of one bolt and now that one is even worse than when I began. I may end up having to use the angle grinder to remove the entire foot of the seat, which is many inches of metal.
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Old 05-24-2019, 07:20 AM   #10
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Cutting them out seems to work the best, angle grinders are cheap and many people have them. Try borrow one save yourself alot of work.
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