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Old 01-11-2016, 10:54 AM   #1
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How to remove windows from 1990 Ward Skoolie

I'm struggling here. They went rivet crazy in this bus! Started removing the lower side panels thinking that would give me access to removing the windows. Nope! And the side panels are spot welded to a lower lip at the bottom of the window. The lip prevents removing the window inwards from the bottom.

So now I'm looking at the upper metal hem that runs the length of the windows on one side. The metal hem wraps around the bottom edge of the ceiling panels and is then riveted over the top edge of the upper window frame. I can't tell if removing this hem and it's billion rivets will allow me access to the top edge of the window frame!

I would really like to remove, clean, reverse and repair these windows. I have reviewed the video on reversing them but it does not detail removal. Can anyone point me to window removal details for a ward bus?

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Old 01-11-2016, 11:43 AM   #2
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I have a 92 Ward. Check out my build thread "Roll your own" for pics.
I have the interior gutted.
I haven't removed any windows yet. To take them out all I have left to do is remove the little screws on each side of the window and tilt back then lift em out.
The windows in mine are so crappy I have no dreams of re-using them.
If you weren't so far, I'd say come take them for parts.
I can go out and remove a window in the next few days or week, but my camera is broken and I don't have a smartphone.
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Old 01-11-2016, 12:06 PM   #3
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The windows in mine are so crappy I have no dreams of re-using them.
If you weren't so far, I'd say come take them for parts.
I can go out and remove a window in the next few days or week, but my camera is broken and I don't have a smartphone.

Any chance those windows will fit a 1988 blue bird? Mine are 4 little screws too.
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Old 01-11-2016, 12:10 PM   #4
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IDK if they'd fit a BB, but I can measure them.
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Old 01-11-2016, 12:13 PM   #5
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If you're gonna throw them out soon then go right ahead. It may be the end of January till I get my bus back and can measure mine.
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Old 01-12-2016, 08:20 AM   #6
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Thanks for the reply EastCoastCB. I can't tilt mine back because of the metal hem above the windows. The hem wraps around the bottom edge of the ceiling panels. If I remove the hem, will the bottom edge of the ceiling panels still be in the way of removing the windows??? Would love to see a close-up picture of the top of your windows.

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Old 01-12-2016, 09:00 AM   #7
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all I could find, sorry.
I think if you get the trim/light panel off, the windows can be removed. I'll take a look again this afternoon.
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Old 01-12-2016, 07:25 PM   #8
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Thank you. Yes, it doesn't quite show me what I would like to know. I admit it... I DO NOT want to remove the ceiling panels. I'm a dedicated wimp and proud to say it!

If you have a picture with the hem removed but the ceiling panel still mounted that would tell me what I would like to know. Those pics are gnarly!!!

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There are a few more similar to these on my thread.
Just pull one of the small hem panels and see, you can always replace it.
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Old 01-23-2016, 11:50 AM   #10
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Check out my blog in a post dated 11/29/15. If you want more pictures let me know so I can post them.

What model is your Ward? Eastcoast has a flat nosed bus (I think it is a Senator) I have a dog nosed bus. It is a Volunteer. His ceiling panels were different than mine.

His ceiling panels did not go all the way to the windows. There was an angled valence that covered the gap between the too of the windows and the ceiling panel. My ceiling panels went all the way to the window. That valence on my bus hid all the wires, lights, and speakers. It was attached to the ceiling panels.

I have a 91 Ward. I assume they are similar if not the same as yours .

I don't think removing the ceiling panels is going to help you. On my bus, there is a lip that wraps under the end of the ceiling panels. It goes the length of the bus. The lip starts against the outside skin, then it comes towards the center of the bus on top of the windows, drops down about an inch and then wraps around the bottom of the ceiling panel, then back up. The rivets go through the front of the lip, the ceiling panel, then the back of the lip. That lip, or hem, is welded in place.

I can't tell you how to the get the windows out, but if your bus is like mine, taking the ceiling panels down will not help.

Let me know if you want more pictures that show anything in detail.


(24 rivets above each window) X (11 windows) X (2 sides of the bus) = 11 cutoff wheels + (2 sore arms X 6 hours)
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