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Old 02-18-2015, 10:56 AM   #41
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I will paint my roof white also. Not sure yet if I will use elastomeric paint, or polyurea. Most likely use expandothane if I can find a contractor with the equipment to do it in my geographic region.





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I won't be adding any of the silly ceramic beads in it though.

I would love to paint the entire outside of the bus with it.

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Old 02-18-2015, 01:07 PM   #42
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http://www.uscomposites.com/fillers.html 3m glass bubbles are cheap and made a difference on my Thomas. The difference was slight, however it was noticeable. If it's nothing more than making the coating thicker it's a cheap and light way to do it.
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Old 02-18-2015, 02:47 PM   #43
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Those are some interesting products... if you find a vendor and pricing information please share.

Here's what I think I am going to do. Rather than allowing the bus to absorb all that solar radiation and then try to figure out how to insulate myself from it inside my bus, I am going to stop the sunlight before it hits the roof. I'll do this by building a frame on top of the bus, filling it with foam, then covering the foam with a deck. This gives me a deck on top of the bus (one of my goals) a good thick layer of insulation on top of the roof, so no hot bus roof. I've got to think that this by itself would be half the battle.

I can figure out from there the best way to proceed, whether I wanted to remove the interior panels or how much more insulation is needed for ceiling and walls.
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Old 02-18-2015, 07:11 PM   #44
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Here's what I think I am going to do. Rather than allowing the bus to absorb all that solar radiation and then try to figure out how to insulate myself from it inside my bus, I am going to stop the sunlight before it hits the roof. I'll do this by building a frame on top of the bus, filling it with foam, then covering the foam with a deck. This gives me a deck on top of the bus (one of my goals) a good thick layer of insulation on top of the roof, so no hot bus roof. I've got to think that this by itself would be half the battle.
I too am doing a full size deck on top of my bus. Just the shade it makes will be enough to make a massive difference. Allowing the air to flow around my roof deck will help cool the surface of the deck.

With my vaulted ceiling, I already have enough room for plenty of insulation.

I like your idea for the people with lack of head room. A roof deck alone will still heat up and radiate the heat back down. Your idea will solve this.

When we build covered porches, we still insulate under the shingles or roofing tin with minimum 1.5 inches of Styrofoam. This stops that radiant heat from making it's way down into the living space.

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Old 02-19-2015, 12:52 PM   #45
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...I am going to stop the sunlight before it hits the roof. I'll do this by building a frame on top of the bus, filling it with foam, then covering the foam with a deck. This gives me a deck on top of the bus (one of my goals) a good thick layer of insulation on top of the roof, so no hot bus roof. I've got to think that this by itself would be half the battle...
Certainly not a new idea. George did it several years back. Seems like a good idea. David & I talked about doing it if the SolarFlex and stock insulation wasn't enough for the NM heat. Turns out it wasn't really needed. When it's hot here, everything is hot. Plus I'm parked under two of the few semi-decent shade trees in the park. Might rethink after I get to FL.

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I have no respect for this George Guy. Trying to sell stuff, rather than just sharing the info on the net. Is this guy a engineer? Insured to cover the advise he is selling? I like suing greedy people like him.

Sad, pathetic, and dishonorable.

He is in it for nothing but the money. Pure greed.

Much of his info is also out dated.

Maybe some of use here should start charging $1 a post for technical info.

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Old 02-19-2015, 01:09 PM   #47
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I have no respect for this George Guy. Trying to sell stuff, rather than just sharing the info on the net. Is this guy a engineer? Insured to cover the advise he is selling? I like suing greedy people like him.

Sad, pathetic, and dishonorable.

He is in it for nothing but the money. Pure greed.

I also bet that much of his info is out dated.

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While I hate greed and money is not my motivation for anything, I do understand that people are out to make money. This guy isn't doing anything that every big company doesn't do.
I don't like suing anybody, although I've never tried to. I may sue subaru over my lemon car, though. Sucker uses more oil than my bus!
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Money to me is the poison of modern society.

As soon as it comes to making money, the guy is no longer genuine.

I help people achieve their goals so they can look after themselves, and better their lives. Not for money.

My lack of greed is why I live in a shed, and will never be wealthy. I have a hard time taking money from people.

I live in Canada. I have never sued anyone in my life. Likely never will. I hate the game of the legal system. Just one more physiological game. Never about what is right and what is wrong. Just one more form of bullying and greed.

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Old 02-19-2015, 04:18 PM   #49
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' Insured to cover the advise he is selling? I like suing greedy people like him."


"I live in Canada. I have never sued anyone in my life. Likely never will."

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Jack, use the button that says "Quote" on it.

I posted my opinion, now lets get back to the exterior insulation topic.

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