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Old 01-11-2011, 12:54 AM   #11
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Re: Insulation-propane and Cold

i got a buddy heater it takes only 1 bottle but it can be used with the cheater hose,its cheaper than the little bottles for sure.Dont muck around you need fresh air at all times for these heaters
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Old 01-11-2011, 01:46 PM   #12
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... Lorna you make a good arguement for the larger refillable propane tank (in terms of cost of fuel). So I assume with a large tank you would turn off the propane at the tank when not it use? Am I correct that I need to unscrew the 1 lb cylinders when not in use? So if I'm camping for two nights, I would have to unscrew them during the day in between if I'm not using it during the day?
I can't tell you about the big 2 tank heaters... Don't remove the disposables until they are empty. They do not always seal closed (crappy needle valve). We do not shut the tank off unless we are moving the food cart. We also operate an LP single burner to heat up the meat and rolls for our hot deli sandwiches. The 20 lb tank should be set out side. The valve on the heater will shut it down. We have run the heater overnight but I have always had a CO/smoke detector in operation with the heater when used in a home setting. And my homes weren't terribly air tight. My RV REALLY isn't airtight plus we keep the roof top vents open slightly even during the winter. So I would run the heater at night if we lost power... otherwise we're liable to freeze to death here. Our electric is included in our lot rent so we run an electric heater with the RV gas furnace as a back up (it does kick on at night a few times times). You only need to crack a window open about 1/4 to 1/2 inch. If you have the roof vents, then you only need to open them slightly.

We are currently running off the portable 20 LB tanks on the RV (it's a PITA to refill the permanent mount 40 LB tank and we've only filled it once). We built our own "extend a stay (with a quick-connect GAS fitting... don't use air fittings) for a lot less than the commercially available unit. We did that back in 2006.

LP gas shut off valve between the quick connect and the "T" into the RV main gas line... we close down the quick connect when we remove the hose. The 40 LB tank is closed when running the BBQ tanks.
(one gas shut off goes to the RV hose and the other goes to our portable LP gas grill) We shut down all the valves when we swap tanks.

This set up would also allow us to run a 100 lb tank as well. Just have to get a fitting that will work on the 100lb tank fitting, if different. Heating eats up LP. If you are going to run LP heaters in cold weather, Set up your LP lines to allow to to add a"T" into it and hook up a larger tank. We probably won't ever run a 100 lb tank again unless we buy a piece of land to put the bus on as a "home base". We sold our one of our 100 lb tanks and left the other on my mom's cabin (it was a newer tank than what she had) because we have no way to transport the things. I recently found out that NM will not let you transport a tank laying down. So 20lb works for us.

For our bus, we will use two BBQ tanks with a automatic changeover (because the tank always runs out when it's raining, cold and/or in the middle of the night). We will have it set up to allow us to hook up a large 100 lb tank (because you never know what will happen in the future and I have the gas fittings anyway unless we have to add another "T" on the food cart). We like to operate our little cheapie wal-mart gas grill off the big 20 lb tanks. We generally burn up a grill every year from use. That would be a pile of tiny throw away tanks! We've been running LP gas for a long time and we know pretty much how we use it and how much we go thru it. Both for short/long term camping (tent 2 pop-up 2 RV) and for use in a house.

I looked at the 2 pack disposable tanks when I was last in Wal-Mart. They were almost $6. We filled the 20Lb tank (4.7 gallons) just last week for 2.75/gal... with tax that came to 13.84. I've burned up a disposable tank on our heater in one 24 hour day. We will run the 20 lb tank for a couple weeks on the RV... we also cook with LP. $$ wise, it would be better for you to set up a 20 lb tank and pipe it inside. For safety, I would also say to do that as well. I think those little tanks are a tad dangerous. I have had the little needle valve tear up and all the gas leak out (very quickly) in the past. We always remove the tanks while outside. I just don't trust those little throw away tanks.
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Old 01-11-2011, 02:34 PM   #13
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Thanks for the detailed reply Lorna! Lots of good info I will certainly use.
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Old 01-11-2011, 03:40 PM   #14
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Thanks for the detailed reply Lorna!...
A nice way of saying... "Geesh! Shut up already!"
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Not at all! I'm happy to get as much info as I can.
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It's made by the same folks who make the two-part slow-rise foam that boat builders use (see link). I know my husband used it on his houseboat (that was pre-me) and he liked it. He had me check to see if it was still being made when I was researching stuff for the Eagle. He did think of using it on the skoolie (the two-part/pour in stuff for the wheel well boxes) but we are going the "foam-house-sheathing-cut-to-fit--and-Great-stuff-can-foam-the-voids" method. Better check your shipping prices and add them to your purchase price. If I remember correctly, that is why I discarded the the spray foam in the first place. The price per R-Value was simply too high when I compared foam sheathing to spray foam (both DIY and professional house sprayers). And that was back when I could buy a lot of the stuff that I was looking at either close to home in Chattanooga or up in Nashville (a 2 hour drive from home at the time). Now, it seems everything has to be shipped into NM. At least we finally found a home depot that stocks the (pink) foam sheathing in the sizes we need (1/2", 3/4", 1" and 2") and it's just a 70 mile trip one way!

http://fomofoam.com/boat_ship_and_pontoon.htm

The up side to the spray on foams is that they insulate plus because the foam expands, eliminates air leaks. The down side is that it is messy and it has to be "trimmed" (if you want to cover with wall covering) which is really messy and time consuming.

Here is a link to what Fred Hobe uses. It's almost at the bottom of the page.
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Thanks Smitty, I am going to use the insulation you mentioned on my ceiling. As for the windows, I've cut some 1 1/2" styro slightly smaller than the windows. Plan on covering the edges and "inside" area with the same material I'm using for the upolstery. They will fit snugly in the window openings. I will use these for any extended cold weather outings. Aside form the PIA of finding somewhere to store them.

Alleycat, someone on here, did the entire inside of their bus with that stuff and the trimmed/shaved in the necessary places. looked like it turned out very well. They said it was expensive, but averaged out in labor time and cost of regular styrofoam.

Lorna, Skirts.......thats funny. I am Scottish/Irish. I my mom made a trip to Scotland and found the family crest and plaid. Had kilt made. I wore it to a function once Sporane, dirk and all. I found a new sense of "freedom" that I could not achieve in levis and boxers. As long as the wind did'nt blow up me kilt.
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Lorna - love that gauge!! where did you find such a thing!
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Lorna, Skirts.......thats funny. I am Scottish/Irish. I my mom made a trip to Scotland and found the family crest and plaid. Had kilt made. I wore it to a function once Sporane, dirk and all. I found a new sense of "freedom" that I could not achieve in levis and boxers. As long as the wind did'nt blow up me kilt.
Now you know what women go thru in the winter! BTW, I didn't have to go to Scotland... I'm a McKinnon (of the Coffee County, GA McKinnons) on my father's side.
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Lorna - love that gauge!! where did you find such a thing!
What gauge?
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That was bought at Lowes during the summer when they have all their grills and accessories in stock. It's supposed to tell you when the tank is full or almost empty. Doesn't to that too well since cold/hot weather messes with it. But it does a fantastic job of letting us know if the gas lines are leaking somewhere. We tend to shut down the grill if we are not using it. Also we tend to run the water heater on electric not LP (it's an option). So if we have no gas appliances operating the gauge should stay steady. If the gauge is dropping, we have a leak somewhere. We had a gas grill regulator crap out on us once and we caught it on the LP gas gauge (gas level was dropping). We had a stiff breeze blowing away from us and didn't realize the grill itself was leaking gas since we couldn't smell it. You can buy them at lots of places. The pic below is of a Camco brand. We do point it to where we can see it as we enter/exit the RV). It's just a habit to look over at the gauge.


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