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Old 08-28-2016, 11:22 AM   #11
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I can't imagine that there's that much difference in R with board vs the stock stuff, is there?
Our original bus is spray foamed outside underneath instead of in the flooring. We're planning on repeating that. You might consider it at least for the meditation room.

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1" foamular board from Pink Panther is only an R-5.
Currently over my walls & 3 Windows on each side, until a more viable option comes along... Foamular is non-reflective and around $20 for 4x8 sheet here.

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Old 08-28-2016, 11:26 AM   #12
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We left all our insulation and windows stock. It definitely does not hold heat or cold when you want it to. We live in it full time and still travel to very hot an mildly cold (around freezing but not below) places. With the generator and window unit AC and reflectix in the windows it's tolerable no matter how hot, but it's definitely never actually cool. In the cold it's a popsicle, but with a Mr. Heater Buddy it actually gets kinda toasty in whatever room we have it in. It won't stay warm if you turn off the heater, so we usually turn it on before bed and get all warm and cozy under the blankets before turning it off.

That being said, I wouldn't change my mind about my decision due to the cost and work. There are people on here who spend thousands on insulation and windows. I love my bus windows; especially the way they function. I do not believe that insulating the rest of the bus would make enough difference unless you replace the windows too.

It would certainly be possible to insulate a little mediation room near your A/C that would stay cool. The only insulation we put in our build was a sheet of 1/2 inch foam board in between our 2" thick walls. Even that small amount makes a difference, as we are able to close the doors on the middle room in the bus and trap cold or warm air more easily. It still escapes through the windows mostly, but we just tape up window sized pieces of Reflectix and it helps a lot.

If you have good quality blankets and a pet or human to snuggle with for the cold, and don't mind finding other ways to beat the heat, go stock. If you have time and money and willpower and would like a bus that feels like a real house inside, go for insulation and windows.
I can't pull my interior sheets physically or timely, so I'm chasing the alternative.
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Old 08-28-2016, 12:31 PM   #13
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Hi I just joined and am looking at new posts I had a skokum wood heater in my old bus I had to have a window open all the time so my cats could get out on the ramp just covered open window with a curtain the guy I got my wood stove said I'd cook myself out but at minus 20 Celsius I was toasty but not melting I didn't do anything to original bus structure except take seats out and build a few storage cupboards
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Old 08-28-2016, 02:02 PM   #14
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Wow! This is quite a response and a lot of experience to draw from. This forum is awesome. Thank you all for responding!

I think I've got the answers to most of my questions. The main one being that it is NOT worth it to insulate the walls well if I leave the stock windows in, because they transfer too much heat [outside when it's cold, inside when it's hot].

I am pretty confident that cold won't be an issue because heater's are easy to put in the bus, and in the case of fire sources (like pot belly stoves) very cozy and have a nice aesthetic. It would actually be nice to sit around a little fire and read on chilly nights. If it's really cold, I'll just get a goat to snuggle with

I've always preferred cold (good thing I live in Canada?) over hot days because I find it so much easier to warm up than to cool down.

Definitely more worried about heat in places. A/C's are common solutions, but I have stated my concerns about that. I actually have a friend that didn't want to be in my apartment with the A/C on due to health concerns - and I think a lot of us are environmentally conscious enough to shy away from using it often. Though, does anyone here even think it's possible to have a comfortable bus on hot days in the best case? Best case being super well insulated, windows swapped for RV windows [I was reading that residential windows aren't suitable for this application as we change elevation a lot and move a lot, but can work]. And probably some reflective blinds. Maybe this is a pipe dream.

Does anyone know of cooling methods other than A/C?

I also imagine solar panels on the roof would also help keep the bus cooler, similar to the paint? Or do they absorb heat and make it worse?
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Old 08-28-2016, 02:04 PM   #15
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Oh, and I'm not sure if I mentioned, but I will be full-timing it. This bus will be my home! So I want it to be comfortable.
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Old 08-28-2016, 02:08 PM   #16
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If you are going to full time it, you should put as much insulation in as you can afford. Another thing to keep in mind is mold. I took down my ceiling and the walls and replaced all the old insulation with polyiso foam board (1.5" in the ceiling, 1.5" - 3" in the walls). The old fiberglass in the ceiling was ok, but the stuff in the walls was black with dirt and mold and other nasty substances. I am really glad I got all the crap out of the bus before I started building.
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Old 08-28-2016, 10:08 PM   #17
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Summer is hot. That's how Earth is these days.

I only have the Renogy 200w kit, and two Trojan batteries but they will run a fan all day and night, and that makes it better. When in the bus i get in shorts and a tee and aim the fan at me.

Funny the metion of health effects of too much ac and wow i am sensative and the first heat wave tried to stay in local stores with ac and i got sick. Feel better keeping ac time to a minimum.

This bus is a stock 1986. I am surviving summer heat and figure this Vozelgang wood stove will keep it toasty in the winter. Kind of excited to see what adjustments i will make and how i will figure out ways to stay warm for winter.

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Old 08-29-2016, 05:25 AM   #18
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Thanks for the reply. Whta is DEP?
DEP is the short hand for the various state-level Departments of Environmental Protection.

Another good reason to pull the fiberglass particularly in the walls, besides the mold and lack of real R value, is it's tendency to clump and decay

This is from the rear left side of my bus
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Old 08-29-2016, 07:50 AM   #19
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If it's really cold, I'll just get a goat to snuggle with
Hehe...now you're talkin'.
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Old 08-29-2016, 08:01 AM   #20
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Maybe all the berries the goat makes will warm ya up.
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