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Old 08-22-2019, 07:10 PM   #1
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Is this a good buy? 2004 International 3000

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2004 International 3000
Seats removed, ceiling removed and floors repaired and sealed
T444E Turbo Diesel
Allison 2000 electronic 5 spd Transmission that shifts perfectly
170,000 original miles
Brand New Batteries

Would you pay $6-7K for it?
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Old 08-22-2019, 08:00 PM   #2
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No, not even close. The 444 is the lowest on the list of desirable engines, wait I don't think on a desirable list. It's worth half that IMHO.
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I'm looking at this below....

2004 International 3000
Seats removed, ceiling removed and floors repaired and sealed
T444E Turbo Diesel
Allison 2000 electronic 5 spd Transmission that shifts perfectly
170,000 original miles
Brand New Batteries

Would you pay $6-7K for it?
Thats too much money man. It sounds like a $3500 bus to me.
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Old 08-23-2019, 06:17 AM   #4
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I disagree with the T444E being a less desirable engine. I been a diesel tech all my life and it's one of my favorites. I have one in my bus and a large percentage of members here. Yours being an 04 with an Allison 2000 is a great combo for fuel mileage and reliability. If the bus is in great shape and not rusty it's worth $5000 max in my opinion.
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I disagree with the T444E being a less desirable engine. I been a diesel tech all my life and it's one of my favorites. I have one in my bus and a large percentage of members here. Yours being an 04 with an Allison 2000 is a great combo for fuel mileage and reliability. If the bus is in great shape and not rusty it's worth $5000 max in my opinion.
Yours isn't a 40 foot RE.
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In that setup it's probably a 250HP version which would be fine. I would check and test drive before buying.
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In that setup it's probably a 250HP version which would be fine. I would check and test drive before buying.
I would agree. The t444e is a good motor in appropriate applications.

A high HP version coupled with the Allison 2000 would be OK.

Better would b an 8.3 & MD-3060...
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Thank you for the replies. This is very helpful. One also, is that the bus is already stripped (ceiling and floors) the Floor has been sealed, insulated and framed with 3/4 plywood. So ready to start work on.

Regarding the engine and transmission. How many miles do those get?
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Regarding the engine and transmission. How many miles do those get?

That depends on many factors. How was it driven and maintained?

I see plenty of buses still in service with 250k to 300k miles.

IIRC the B50 on the T444e is 350k miles. Meaning that 50% of them will need a rebuild by the time they reach 350k miles.

A little different animal but my first bus had around 30k miles on a fresh inframe and I put another 250k on it with no major repairs.
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If you are asking about MPG you can expect 8-10 from that rig.
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