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Old 06-27-2014, 04:15 PM   #11
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Re: Is this transit bus a good idea?

I bet you could get a older tc/2000 for around 2000. If you ask local transportation company's you may have some luck. Internet auctions have higher prices than local ones. I just was at a river rafting company in PA and I found out they got 96 Crown/internationals at a local auction for 1200 or 1300 with the dt466 and mt643. Simaler ones got sold on govdeals between 1800 and 2500
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Old 07-17-2014, 07:11 PM   #12
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Re: Is this transit bus a good idea?

Though 4.30 is a higher gear than a typical highway Coach 3.84 it is considerably lower than most schoolies............most schoolies are geared at 5.44............5.38............etc.............so the claim that this coach would get horrible fuel mileage is absurd.............Also the transmission is a 5 speed with a true overdrive.........final drive ratio at .85............so it will get excellent fuel mileage.............the Cummins L10 is a better engine than you'll find in most Schoolies, and in fact is viewed by most to be a very good engine...........

I know these buses have now been sold, and I bought the sister bus to this, the one with the claimed 95000 actual miles. Which i saw to be over-all straighter and cleaner than the other. Especially the engine compartment..............I just had this Orion transported a couple hundred miles and it handled and performed flawlessly, all the lights and gauges worked, other than the fuel gauge was a bit inaccurate. Also these buses had a full compliment of Gauges: Like Crown, the only thing proprietary to Orion is the Chassis, the glass, and of course the superstructure of the bus which is built of stainless steel.........and then covered with a proprietary anti corrosion material.............

Like the Crown is a West Coast phenom the Orion was more prevalent on the east Coast........though many did make it out west. These yakima Orion 1's by many thought to be the best Orion's ever built, some were built at TMC subsidiary of MCI:....

I can't give any mileage figures at this point as the journey isn't complete. Orion uses over the road class 8 truck parts, like Crown, still very much available. These two Orions, are far better constructed than surely any Thomas or Blue Bird of that era...........and by far has a superior, more efficient drive train. I purchased mine a 2400 bucks, below scrap value, it is also cool, in that all the windows are capable of opening out, and it is a very well build machine.........and will be far more reliable and surely economical than all but the rarest of schoolies. Just a bit of a reality check for those who think that a TC2000 would be a better investment: That's simply not true: Most TC2000 have a rear axle somewhere in the 5's, have a final drive ratio of 1:1...........and will be tightly wound at highway speed, which will cause them to fail prematurely in highway driving...........
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Old 07-17-2014, 10:29 PM   #13
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Re: Is this transit bus a good idea?

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Though 4.30 is a higher gear than a typical highway Coach 3.84 it is considerably lower than most schoolies............most schoolies are geared at 5.44............5.38............etc.............so the claim that this coach would get horrible fuel mileage is absurd.............Also the transmission is a 5 speed with a true overdrive.........final drive ratio at .85............so it will get excellent fuel mileage.............the Cummins L10 is a better engine than you'll find in most Schoolies, and in fact is viewed by most to be a very good engine...........

I know these buses have now been sold, and I bought the sister bus to this, the one with the claimed 95000 actual miles. Which i saw to be over-all straighter and cleaner than the other. Especially the engine compartment..............I just had this Orion transported a couple hundred miles and it handled and performed flawlessly, all the lights and gauges worked, other than the fuel gauge was a bit inaccurate. Also these buses had a full compliment of Gauges: Like Crown, the only thing proprietary to Orion is the Chassis, the glass, and of course the superstructure of the bus which is built of stainless steel.........and then covered with a proprietary anti corrosion material.............

Like the Crown is a West Coast phenom the Orion was more prevalent on the east Coast........though many did make it out west. These yakima Orion 1's by many thought to be the best Orion's ever built, some were built at TMC subsidiary of MCI:....

I can't give any mileage figures at this point as the journey isn't complete. Orion uses over the road class 8 truck parts, like Crown, still very much available. These two Orions, are far better constructed than surely any Thomas or Blue Bird of that era...........and by far has a superior, more efficient drive train. I purchased mine a 2400 bucks, below scrap value, it is also cool, in that all the windows are capable of opening out, and it is a very well build machine.........and will be far more reliable and surely economical than all but the rarest of schoolies. Just a bit of a reality check for those who think that a TC2000 would be a better investment: That's simply not true: Most TC2000 have a rear axle somewhere in the 5's, have a final drive ratio of 1:1...........and will be tightly wound at highway speed, which will cause them to fail prematurely in highway driving...........

While a lot of what you say is true not all is well in the transit class buses, as a instructor and technician on them I know they were built to go a million miles. Problem is not all of the guys maintaining them were that good at their job so trust but verify is my motto. Next school buses are far more stout then a transit bus. If you have ever had to go to a transit wreck (I have) you would understand. While all that stainless steel is neat watch out for vibration stress, same as they watch pout for it on all vehicles made of it. Next schoolies are made to support their weight on the roof but transits are not. and as far as gear ratio goes I found transits with low and high ratios depending on route and the same for school buses. Mine has a 4.44 to 1 with a true overdrive and 68 mph tachs at 1875 rpm and that's not bad. The L10 is an excellent engine and hard to beat for power and serviceability. Well enough ramblings my point is the bus you got is the one you love so enjoy what you have.

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Old 08-23-2014, 10:34 AM   #14
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Price a rebuilt trans for it. That's why I say no.
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I can't find anything using the VIN. If the wiki page is to be believed, they came with two different trannies. Assuming the Voith is correct, and the (other) wiki page is to be believed, then a 1:1 could be a problem depending on rear ratio. The 6 speed would obviously be best.


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The Orion Bus Industries Orion V was a high floor transit bus available in Canada and the United States. One of the longest running line of buses from Orion ...

How high is high?
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"High floor" is simply the opposite of "low floor" or in other words, it's normal height. The high aka standard height is where it needs to be in order to fit a straight axle, springs, and frame rail underneath. This as opposed to a "low floor" model which uses a special front suspension so that the floor from the front door to just behind the rear door can be something like 12 inches off the ground.
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"High floor" is simply the opposite of "low floor" or in other words, it's normal height. The high aka standard height is where it needs to be in order to fit a straight axle, springs, and frame rail underneath. This as opposed to a "low floor" model which uses a special front suspension so that the floor from the front door to just behind the rear door can be something like 12 inches off the ground.
I get that but what's the ground clearance at the pumpkin or whatever "solid" item is slowest. I don't count the skirts as solid.
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Currently at $750



I can't find anything using the VIN. If the wiki page is to be believed, they came with two different trannies. Assuming the Voith is correct, and the (other) wiki page is to be believed, then a 1:1 could be a problem depending on rear ratio. The 6 speed would obviously be best.


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The Orion Bus Industries Orion V was a high floor transit bus available in Canada and the United States. One of the longest running line of buses from Orion ...

How high is high?
That's my hood. With WilliamBailey off the air and porkchopsandwiches in CO I seem to be the MD/DC rep. You need me to get over there and get you some pics?

The whole RideOn system was designed to be a feeder to and complement the existing MetroBus system. The Metro cruises the main drags and deliberately ends most of its routes at Metrorail stops. Intermodal, doncha know. RideOn goes back into the neighborhoods, all the little side streets. They stop every other block. NONE of them will be long legged. The great majority are 24 footers and that one's a 40 so there's always the exception to the rule, but I just don't see them on the higher speed limited access roads. Something to think about.
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No, I get that but the skirts are sheet metal and can be removed. Center of wherever the wheel hub is would be the important factor. Since these coaches apparently use car sized tires, that is going to be about 15" max. Carried over a 40' span that doesn't leave you with much of an angle.


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That's my hood. With WilliamBailey off the air and porkchopsandwiches in CO I seem to be the MD/DC rep. You need me to get over there and get you some pics?
Nah, but thx.

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The whole RideOn system was designed to be a feeder to and complement the existing MetroBus system. The Metro cruises the main drags and deliberately ends most of its routes at Metrorail stops. Intermodal, doncha know. RideOn goes back into the neighborhoods, all the little side streets. They stop every other block. NONE of them will be long legged. The great majority are 24 footers and that one's a 40 so there's always the exception to the rule, but I just don't see them on the higher speed limited access roads. Something to think about.
I do vastly prefer the skoolie to the coach... even the true coaches like Provost and Van but if I keep seeing skoolies selling for $6k and metros selling for $1k, I gotta give them some thought.

It would be really nice to be able to pick up a Provost with the 150k miles for $5k like the skoolies but I general see them in the $10~15k with 500~800 already on the clock. I got 2 numbers on the lottery ticket right this week. Grand payout: $0 so we are sticking with the budget buses.
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