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01-24-2017, 07:02 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Staten Island, NY
Posts: 153
Year: 2001
Coachwork: BlueBird
Chassis: A3RE
Engine: 3126 Cat
Rated Cap: 33220 GVwR
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Major decision for the Bus Body
My wife and I are about to get into the Bus conversion elbow deep. One of the things we wanted to know was, the railings along the body. Are they necessary, are they supporting the metal or hiding the welding marks.
We see that there are a lot of rivets but I believe and I think my wife also want a smoother look on the outside.
Has anyone else attempted this?
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01-24-2017, 07:12 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Winlcok, WA
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If you are referring to the rub rails on the outside of the bus, they are not structural but they do add strength. Removing them is just a matter of either unscrewing them or drilling out all of the rivets. There are some commercial versions of school buses that are smooth sided and do not have any rub rails. Some school buses even have fluted side panels instead of smooth panels. The fluted panels give some strength and resist oil canning.
If you are referring to the chair rail on the inside (the rail on which the outside part of the seat sits), they are not structural either but to remove them is a major job and does take some of the structural rigidity away from the body.
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01-24-2017, 07:46 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cowlitzcoach
If you are referring to the rub rails on the outside of the bus, they are not structural but they do add strength. Removing them is just a matter of either unscrewing them or drilling out all of the rivets. There are some commercial versions of school buses that are smooth sided and do not have any rub rails. Some school buses even have fluted side panels instead of smooth panels. The fluted panels give some strength and resist oil canning.
If you are referring to the chair rail on the inside (the rail on which the outside part of the seat sits), they are not structural either but to remove them is a major job and does take some of the structural rigidity away from the body.
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YEah- they add a bit of stiffness to the sheet metal, but the rub rails aren't structural. The commercial buses DO seem to have much more tendency to "oil can", though.
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01-24-2017, 07:51 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Staten Island, NY
Posts: 153
Year: 2001
Coachwork: BlueBird
Chassis: A3RE
Engine: 3126 Cat
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
YEah- they add a bit of stiffness to the sheet metal, but the rub rails aren't structural. The commercial buses DO seem to have much more tendency to "oil can", though.
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Oil can are you saying they squeeze inward?
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01-24-2017, 07:56 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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In, out, like an oil can.
A pic of "oil canning" on some roof panels-
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01-24-2017, 09:16 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Darrington, Wa.
Posts: 304
Year: 1994
Coachwork: Genesis/Am-Tran Tall Roof
Chassis: International, 643 transmission
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I would have thought this bus sheet metal would never do that? There are just so many rivets unlike that roof picture and probably a lot thicker. I want to remove mine as well. Seems like that is the number one thing to start to get rid of the school bus look besides paint.
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01-24-2017, 09:21 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 8,462
Year: 1946
Coachwork: Chevrolet/Wayne
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Engine: Cummins 4BT
Rated Cap: 15
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The design function of the rub rails...aka: "Torpedo Belt"...is to add side impact integrity. Which they do in a big way.
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01-24-2017, 09:22 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Oklahoma aka "God's blind spot"
Posts: 2,446
Year: 1989
Coachwork: 1853FC International/Navistar
Chassis: 35' Retired Air Force Ambulance
Engine: DT466, MT643
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01-25-2017, 07:38 AM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Bemidji MN
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Year: 1998
Coachwork: Carpenter Body
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I had to reskin my bus due to rust.
Below the run rails the only thing I found were additional rivets and a few seams.
I have been told they are semi structural but, my skin hasnt had an issue after a summer to winter temp change or driving.
I do plan to add different rub rails in the future basically just to cover seams and add some flare to the body.
They can be harder to remove than the body panels themselves due to the shape of the rails and access of grinding but, once you get in the groove you are good to go.
Personally, I think it is up to you.
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01-25-2017, 08:08 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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For anyone looking for rub rails and parts-
http://allpointsbus.com/bus-parts-c/rub-rails/22
Just found that from Milk's google link.
Very nice- some of mine is tweaked and I may order some new endcaps and a few feet of rail.
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01-25-2017, 08:18 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario
Posts: 1,793
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: B3800 Short bus
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 36
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For people looking to replace rub rails it may be worth checking out your local bus barns. I stopped by the bus barn in my small town for... something.. I can't remember. They had recently switched from Thomas to Bluebird, however, and had 5 pieces of Thomas rub rail lying around. The guy gave it all to me for $40. Some time later I checked out another bus barn in the area and he, too, had a junk corner with unused bus body parts including lights, rub rails, hinges.. All sorts of goodies. The guy said to make an offer, but I didn't need any of it at that point.
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01-25-2017, 05:33 PM
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Almost There
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Southern Oregon
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We re-sided our bus and left off the upper rub rail. The lower rail was perfectly placed for hiding the seam of a 4x10 panel. Dunno if that's a consideration for you.
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01-25-2017, 08:02 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Oklahoma aka "God's blind spot"
Posts: 2,446
Year: 1989
Coachwork: 1853FC International/Navistar
Chassis: 35' Retired Air Force Ambulance
Engine: DT466, MT643
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Judging by the way my rub rails look.... I'd say they were 3x the thickness of my sheetmetal.
I could see how they'd help in a side impact accident, because it's all one unit so it'd cave in and pull across the whole distance. Much like a guard rail pulls from several posts
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