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Old 09-15-2013, 01:05 PM   #1
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Original Floors... Pros/Cons of Stripping VS Replacement?

Hi all...

Being in reality, an old veteran who is starting over after losing both my bus and my old account, I have, I feel, a rather pertinent question when it comes to preparing and modifying the original floor in your bus...

Another member with a fairly late-model (relative term, I consider early 90s to be late-model vs the 60s-70s gassers I grew up with) bus based on a Ford E-van chassis took an interesting approach to their build by completely gutting the floor and rebuilding it. Granted, they didn't have much choice due to rot in several crossmembers that would have been a real problem later, but it got me thinking...

How much time does the average skoolie builder spend ripping up the original rubber flooring, sanding/repairing the metal, and priming to prevent rust from returning, before finally getting down to business and building the rest of the bus to their tastes? Seems to me that maybe we should just CUT the lion's share of the original floor out and replace it with new steel built to our specifications, could save a lot of time that would be better spent on other things.

That way, stripping would only be necessary at the edge of the four walls, and the frame could be cleaned/sanded/painted as well if so desired. Could also mock up plumbing and electrical before replacing the floor... And would prevent any surprise problems with hidden rust at a later date, as well. Any thoughts?
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Old 09-15-2013, 03:04 PM   #2
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Re: Original Floors... Pros/Cons of Stripping VS Replacement

All very good points of what you bring up. I think a lot depends on where your bus is from? Being in a southern region we do not have the issues with body rot that my fellow northeners do.

Mine being a 1983 model has some smaller surface rust but nothing like I have seen from other people who bought buses north of the mason Dixon line?

I think another issue is the cost of steel. Seems some people get the most killer of deals on scrap and parts? Not sure how much my soul is worth (as I sold it when I got married 16 years ago) so I don't think its worth much any more... but it would be nice to find some of the killer deals others seem to find here there and everywhere.

What your thinking does make sense but in my case would not be as practical.
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Old 09-15-2013, 03:11 PM   #3
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Re: Original Floors... Pros/Cons of Stripping VS Replacement

I'm just thinking that when you replace the floor and build it to your specifications, you can double-layer it, insulating your plumbing in between the floor layers to prevent freezing (a good idea for full-timers)... Just a thought. I understand that not all buses will have these issues, and not all of us will be able to take on such tasks without breaking the bank, but it's one of those things you don't really know until you actually rip it up, and I'm sure there are a few who have spent countless hours scraping, grinding, etc... that probably wish they had just cut the whole floor out and replaced it...
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Old 09-15-2013, 06:11 PM   #4
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Re: Original Floors... Pros/Cons of Stripping VS Replacement

If I had to cut it all out that's how I would do it. To me this is the WHOLE reason behind getting a bus vs a travel trailer. Cause I can make it how I want it. Plus knowing what I know now
the bus is a lot stronger and safer.
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Old 09-18-2013, 06:49 AM   #5
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Re: Original Floors... Pros/Cons of Stripping VS Replacement

for me the deciding factor to not do anything to the floor was I wanted to use her....I can replace any metal needed,,,I just did not want a yard ornament for 2 or more years...since we work way too much "for the man"
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we do not like cold period, so extra insulation was not a want/priority
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bottom side looked good no rust thru, and I do know that in 10/15 years holes in the floor is a realty
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I am doing this to enjoy,it hasn't set for more than a month w/o a trip (except winter)

this winter My plan is to strip out the bedroom and cut up the floor for the bathroom,,,,then I will address floor issues as they arise

so I say if you want to cut out old floor and lower it go for it, if you want to cut it out and triple insulate ..well go for it...that is what makes a skoolie great...we as a people can do what we want and the haters...well can be haters
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Old 09-18-2013, 11:31 AM   #6
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Re: Original Floors... Pros/Cons of Stripping VS Replacement

My bus is pretty much rust free...except under the plywood. Between the wheelchair door, the windows and the kids, the plywood was mush. It was soaked. The water was at least 10 years old. I know because I had it carbon dated. The only thing keeping the rubber down was a few screws and gravity. To build on top of that would have crime and really stupid. So I ripped up the floor. Half of it anyway. So for me it wasn't a choice, just something that had to be done.
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Re: Original Floors... Pros/Cons of Stripping VS Replacement

I certainly went the easy way with my 1973 BlueBird. I looked under the bus, and I did not find any rust. The bus came from Tennessee. There was no plywood on the floor. I just laid down 3/4 inch blue board insulation, then siliconed 3/4 inch hardwood flooring. I think it will last a long time. I must say that my dogs have scratched up the floor a lot.
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Re: Original Floors... Pros/Cons of Stripping VS Replacement

I'm currently replacing part of the floor in a 92 TC 2000. I will post pics, things I'm changing, and why tomorrow.

For now, I post this diagram showing how a 92 bluebird is put together. Both buses I've had the opportunity of dismantling have been 92 Blue Birds. Look closely at how the layers are put together. This information is here to assist you in your decision of which option will be best for you.



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This is a 1992 Blue Bird TC2000. It has 320,000 km and lived most of its life on dirt roads. At first glance from a distance it looks not bad. Let the pics do the talking. I have done my best to keep the pics in order.


















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