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Old 06-24-2014, 03:17 AM   #11
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Re: our weird little prison windows

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Seriously yesterday was 104* at rivets and 79* between them
No sprechen ze Farenheit... !?!!?

At peak afternoon temps, a summertime average of 31C (88F) in the shade is normal where I am. Because I am completely unwilling to forego any and all view (and natural light in winter) in favour of being cool in summer, the portholes are currently slated to remain intact with the addition of (street legal yet annoying) UV blocking mirrored pimp tint. I have yet to do a temp measurement but even without the tint I can affirm that it is (most gratefully) noticeably cooler IN the bus in our back yard than OUT of the bus in our back yard, navy blue roof and all. We're hoping to use magnetic curtains for the rest of it all before resorting to draining my solar cells to run AC... I don't want to hear how dumb our wish to keep the windows is, but rather how to make retention of them as efficient and realistic as possible.
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Old 06-24-2014, 09:54 AM   #12
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Re: our weird little prison windows

Are you familar with the old fashioned storm windows? I'm referring to the single pane of glass/plastic that is placed on the outside of a house and covers the whole window in the wintertime to keep the cold out creating a "dual pane" window. You can do the same with your lovely little windows.

Frame in around your windows, on the inside, with PVC "wood" making sure to cover all the metal parts. The PVC will not rot or discolour from possible moisture plus it will provide a good thermal break. Either route a rabbet (a little step down) into the trim to accept a piece of plexiglass or use another low profile piece of PVC trim to edge around the plexi. Use a bead of siliconized latex adhesive caulk (I prefer the ones that say "elastometric" for this type of use) to seal to the window trim along with a few screws (now you have a thermal bridge and must cover the head of the screws to break the thermal bridge). You might want to drill a couple of tiny holes thru the plexi/PVC and run a tiny screw into the PVC material but not touching the metal of the bus (in case you don't trust the caulk to hold the plexi to the PVC... I don't or if you want to be able to remove them later, in which case use a length of vinyl weatherstripping on the trim along with the screws). If the screw touches the metal of the bus/frame it will continue the thermal bridge. You would need to cap the screw head from the interior some how if that happens, easier to use a short tiny screw in the first place and be careful. If you plan on prettying up the windows with a window film, I would apply that first if you plan on caulking the plexi in. If using the screws & weatherstripping, you can add it at anytime. (note: make sure your windows and the plexi are VERY clean as you can't get them apart, without much difficulty, to clean once glued up). I prefer the weatherstripping/screws version because I know I would change my mind at some point and have to tear the things apart to change what is behind the plexi.

The PVC "wood" can be securely glued together using clear PVC plumbing pipe glue (don't get sloppy with it). It can also be painted (I suggest either a paint made for painting plastic or use a clear matte version as a primer that you can paint over with whatever you choose) or stained with a gel stain. As well as shaped with a router. You can attach PVC "wood" with screws (then plug them) or glue them to the structure using an adhesive or adhesive caulk. We will screw/caulk for our windows and then cover the screw heads with another layer of PVC "wood" glued to the bottom layer (it's a stacking of profiles to get the look we want). But for the decorative thermal breaks on the ceiling (primed with gray tinted Kilz2 then painted with metallic paint), we just used PL400 Subfloor & Deck Adhesive and prop sticks until the adhesive dried completely.
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Old 06-24-2014, 10:43 AM   #13
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Re: our weird little prison windows

They are already double-paned so I think I just need to add film, and could try for an interior storm window if I felt we weren't getting enough insulation. I agree it would have to be a removable option - I am sure I'll change my mind at least once about something that will require taking one out and dealing with caulking is the last thing on my wish list lol. I'd be worried about an interior storm window adding bulk on the inside of the bus, no?

(I would love the look of mirrored film but I think everyone around us would be irritated by the glare lol)
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Old 06-24-2014, 02:12 PM   #14
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I don't think it would add much bulk. It's only a 1/2" or so space that you are looking at. So dual or triple pane, you aren't really looking a lot of lost space. Thermal breaks are what you really need to add.
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Old 09-14-2014, 01:58 AM   #15
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Re: our weird little prison windows

I to have a prison bus mine being a 1996 Blue Bird All American Rear Engine with the small windows, we just installed two solar powered vents in the roof for ventilation and for the windows we cut some inch and a half dacron batting that just fits in the opening so we can put them in or out depending on the temp and the amount of light and warmth needed. Ours has bullet resistant polycarbonate with a brown tint to it. you can see what it looked like when we bought it if you
go to publicsurplus.com and look at auction #611712. All of the dividers inside also had the bullet resistant panels as well. We just bought an RV emergency exit window that we will install in the emergency door since the glass will swing out for ventilation. Found it on E-bay for 14.99 plus 19.95 shipping may need some modification to fit but the glass measures the same size as the glass in the emergency door.
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Old 09-19-2014, 03:44 PM   #16
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Re: our weird little prison windows

I love the little windows, remind me of the samba 21 window VW vans. I would buy rounded corner RV windows the same width and whatever height works to place under them in a couple key areas where you want more light and ventilation.
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