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Old 10-17-2016, 03:58 PM   #11
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I remember my mother having a GM car around the time of the paint fiasco. It went to the paint shop at least 4 times under warranty ... originally the factory was determined to stick (pun intended) with the original type of paint ... finally the dealer had enough and went with a more "traditional", durable paint. We had the car 20 years afterward and the paint - though faded on the trunk - was still intact.

I had a '92 GMC truck which was originally white ... somewhere along the line it had seen a replacement bed and paint. As far as I know, the cab and front were original paint ...

I had a '95 Suburban which was white ... paint was in horrible condition and I wasn't sure about repainting it (it ended up being stolen so I never had to address the issue) ...

I currently have a '98 Suburban which was repainted at some point with BC/CC paint (I don't know when). The clear coat is just starting to peel on the hood and roof.

Fords were not immune to this problem. I remember in the early 90's Ford had some major paint issues too.

Today's water based paints - I'm sure engineers have figured out how to make these paints without causing the cars to rust - and corrosion treatments have come a long way since the 70's. The water based paints, I am sure are a lot more "environmentally friendly" than their solvent based counterparts and this is likely to keep the EPA appeased with ever stricter regulations.
what would you use if you were having a bus painted.. remember im not in any position where i can paint a bus myself or on my property... so rustoleum or such with a roller is out..

-Christopher
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Old 10-17-2016, 04:26 PM   #12
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the DEV is painted with acrylic enamel by the bus dealer it came from.. while I think that bus looks good, it has never shined much and the paint doesnt seem particularly durable... that bus dealer swears up and down its a mid grade product that has a great balance of cost and durability.. that guy swears that base coat clear coat ends up in failure on a bus and will haze and be terrible on large panels because he claims it can never be applied evenly and is unforgiving..
he doesn't know how to paint of course, all the cars are painted base clear and for me anything bigger than a gas door is a big panel Although I can see how could be a problem to paint a large bus and running out of paint while applying one row but that is not anything that could not be solve with proper planning so I call it BS.
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Old 10-17-2016, 04:39 PM   #13
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he doesn't know how to paint of course, all the cars are painted base clear and for me anything bigger than a gas door is a big panel Although I can see how could be a problem to paint a large bus and running out of paint while applying one row but that is not anything that could not be solve with proper planning so I call it BS.

the shop here in columbus paints 45 foot coaches and says he never has an issue running his gun dry in a row.. judging from the coaches he has painted he knows what to do... he said a little shorty school bus like mine would be a straightforward job to shoot after the prep work.. prep work being the longest to properly remove the reflective tape, old labels, lettering, lights, etc and preparing the old paint to be painted over...

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Old 10-17-2016, 04:53 PM   #14
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The only paint you'll ever need I believe they're gonna start selling their "Tough Coat" line through Home Depot soon. Plus they sell bullet resistant coatings for vehicles.
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Old 11-07-2016, 12:37 PM   #15
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I'm not reading the entire thread but I want to leave my .02..... I paint professionally in my dad's shop. He's been open for close to 40 years and I have personally been spraying for 15 years.

I spray mostly commercial equipment and rvs.... if you want a solid color, I would use urethane single stage... Nason full thane is a GREAT product for its cost. Sprays nice, looks great, and is durable.

Base coat clear coat will be twice the labor costs or more, and be a better finish ultimately but for.your application, I would suggest urethane single stage. There are less expensive (lesser quality) materials.out there and also more expensive... feel free to pm me if you want more info.

Also, if you are near chicago, I'd be more than happy to hook up a fellow skoolie with a better price.
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Old 11-07-2016, 12:42 PM   #16
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So I read anyway;) bs/cc and single stage from back in the day faded, peeled, and delaminated because they are technology of yesteryear.... today's technology is far superior and whether you go single stage or base clear you will enjoy better than those 80s 90s paint jobs. Stick with urethane and you will be good as gold. Prepping is key as stated earlier. I would stay away from water based, only my personal opinion.
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Old 11-07-2016, 02:05 PM   #17
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I went with a Base / Multi clear and its not water based.. (I forget now what he said the brand and paint are... it escapes me) we talked about a urethane.. the shop had busses of both there some finished and some in process.. the one bus where I chose the color from(got lucky that part of a coach he was doing was exactly the color I was looking for) was fresh out of color (I think?) it was getting ready to be 'cut and buffed'.. not sure what stage of the game that is.. but it looked good at that point..

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Old 11-07-2016, 10:06 PM   #18
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I went with a Base / Multi clear and its not water based.. (I forget now what he said the brand and paint are... it escapes me) we talked about a urethane.. the shop had busses of both there some finished and some in process.. the one bus where I chose the color from(got lucky that part of a coach he was doing was exactly the color I was looking for) was fresh out of color (I think?) it was getting ready to be 'cut and buffed'.. not sure what stage of the game that is.. but it looked good at that point..

-Christopher
It would have been fresh out of the booth, clearcoated, ready to get wetsanded and buffed.

What kind of bus do you have? If you don't mind me asking, what did that cost you? Any pictures?
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Old 11-07-2016, 10:40 PM   #19
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It would have been fresh out of the booth, clearcoated, ready to get wetsanded and buffed.

What kind of bus do you have? If you don't mind me asking, what did that cost you? Any pictures?

that bus I saw was an old pretty rough Prevost coach (early 90s) that the guy wasnt worried about the dings on it, just wanted it painted with custom colors and design... even wit hthe rough aluminum around the bottom it still looked good... yeah it was indeed fresh out of the booth.. no cleanup or anything...

the bus im having painted is a 6 window Bluebird conventional on an IH-3800 chassis... keeping the roof white and the rest of the bus the metallic red, black bumpers and mirror bars..

ill have about 3k in the paint job there. thats with them doing all the prep including taking the school lights out,stop signs, etc.. sealing and riveting metal in place of those lights.. their prep, their paint.. no custom designs other than the blue-bird logo in the white roof areas will be painted the bus red instead of black.

I dont exopect it to be a show-car style paint job but judging from other stuff they have painted it will be quite nice for a daily driver School bus parked in front of my favorite starbucks.

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Old 11-08-2016, 07:06 AM   #20
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YOu must have giant starbucks locations in ohio.
I can barely get my subie wagon in our local starbucks lot!
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