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Old 02-25-2008, 01:22 PM   #21
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Re: Questions about Raising the Roof

I have to ask.... why NOT a vw microbus on top?

Okay - it looks funny..... but what if you had some sheet metal "mad skillz"????


Take TWO vw buses.... slice one 2/3rd of the way from the left side from front to back, and the other 2/3rds of the way from the right.... put together with a seam down the middle and you have a WIDEBODY vw microbus on the roof, that is the exact same width as your bus. You could frame around the hole and create a reinforced floor (that serves to make up for some of the strength you lost in cutting the roof bows) and make a nice little loft - get enough windows and you can have a greenhouse up there!

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Old 02-25-2008, 02:06 PM   #22
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Here's why not, Kevin: http://www.discountaircraftsalvage.com/

At your local Deer Park Aerodrome. You may be able to WALK to this place from your spread!
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Sikor...em330214741311
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Old 02-25-2008, 07:59 PM   #24
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Seems like something that heavy-duty would be a little too top-heavy on a bus...
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Actually, the Sikorsky would not be suitable, since the shape is all wrong. But I wanted to illustrate a dead aircraft of roughly correct width, as shown by its relationship to the trailer it is sitting on.

I guess we are waiting for Kevin and his tape measure to get back from Discount Aircraft Salvage at Deer Park Airport, which is right in his back yard!

I just cannot pass up a good brain storm!
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Actually, the Sikorsky would not be suitable, since the shape is all wrong. But I wanted to illustrate a dead aircraft of roughly correct width, as shown by its relationship to the trailer it is sitting on.

I guess we are waiting for Kevin and his tape measure to get back from Discount Aircraft Salvage at Deer Park Airport, which is right in his back yard!

I just cannot pass up a good brain storm!
I don't know Elliot, if you chop the bottom part of the Sikorsky, it will probably fit. All you have to do is chop it at about the width of the bus. I think it would look kind of cool.

The only problem is cost. If you look at the asking price of the Sikorsky (about $22,000), you could buy a scenic cruiser and almost change everything inside.
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I guess I will be home late this evening..... since I work about 3/4 mile from there!

BTW, Elliot. Keep up giving me these evil ideas my wife will either bake you a pie or point a shotgun at you if you come visit..... (which depends on how much she likes the ideas). She thinks you are a "bad influence".... which is her way of saying "welcome any time".

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Update on the aircraft salvage in Deer Park, WA..... No joy there for us. The guy I talked to there said the biggest hull they had was a twin Cessna - not large enough to make it worthwhile. The last time that they DID have an airframe of a size big enough somebody from Hollywood bought it for a movie and they threw it off a cliff.

Hmmm..... back to the drawing boards - where (at least in virtual reality land on my computer) Elliot's bus only has a little lift....
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I have learned that even the DeHaviland Twin Otter that I talked about once, is too narrow.
Apparently, there just are not all that many airplanes in "bus width".

But there sure are fourtyeleven gazillion little Cessnas and such.

And then it dawned on me that a small plane might work better than any, by WIDENING THE ROOF of the plane, sort'a like we extend bus walls to raise the roof. We'd split the Cessna lengthwise, install the two halves along the edges of the bus, and then fill in the long pie-shaped gap in the roof.

On a flat nose bus, the placement of the plane would pretty much give itself.

But on a conventional bus, the plane could protrude over the hood, AND THE HOOD AND GRILLE COULD BE REPLACED WITH A BIG JET ENGINE COWLING.

I love brainstorming.

But now I have a Lions Club meeting to go to....

... Say, Kevin... What was the Airplane salvage man's attitude about oddball projects like this?
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What was the response? Wry amusement, and then common sense (don't you hate it when that intrudes?). A decent (as in not totally bent to smithereens) hull is still a costly item - even if just for the aluminum. Also noted is that there are a LOT of sharp pokey bits that will need to be covered in order to protect the lunatics inside. Final word is that it is aluminum - so you can not just weld it on - you have to fabricate mounts and bolt it to the steel (but that is not insurmountable).

Oh, and my wife said she is NOT living in a bus with an airplane on the roof.... (I'll have to wait until I have a "spare" bus for Burningman and KSR races, etc - before I try that. I still like the idea of removing the entire body, and mounting a airplane hull IN PLACE OF the bus body - but that is not a "raised roof" - so I am guilty of major thread drift.

Drifting back on topic a bit - I'll put the question back to the group. How tall is too tall? Not legal limits, but sanity limits. I'm looking at pushing up to the state limit of 14 feet (4 foot lift).... and I think I will have to find ways to be cautious about overturning from high winds when parked. Anybody else have some input?
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