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Old 04-05-2014, 09:06 AM   #11
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""Also I have read quite a bit that WVO can be detrimental to seals and what not due to the acids in the animal fats found in it. Any one with long term experience find this to be true?""

170k on a VW on wvo.
35k on my bus on wvo.
Most people dissing wvo have come no closer to it than whats left on the bottom of their plate of french fries. IF DONE CORRECTLY, you can get many miles with no problems. I went inside my VW motor with 300k on in (100k on veg) after it was worn out-looked fine inside. Bearing wear was fine-carbon build up was better than average. I was inside my 7.3 after I cracked a piston (too hi EGT's going up a big hill.) 25 k on veg-you couldn't tell any difference.
Theres a bit of a learning curve involved. And if you are going to base your discision on what bus to buy on running it, the 7.3 is the best choice-12 valve Cummins next.
That being said, you got 400 gallons of oil kicking around? You got a place to filter it it? You got a place to store it? You got space on your bus for 8 55 gallon drums-or a tank that size? You ever drive anything with 3200 lbs of movable ballast? If you think that everyone will be glad to give you their old oil, you're 10 years too late to the party. Its now something people PAY for-and BioD companies have aggressively snagged most of it.
I've been doing it for 9 years-and knowing now what I have learned-and the lack of availibility, I wouldn't do it again.
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Old 04-05-2014, 09:40 AM   #12
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Theres a bit of a learning curve involved. And if you are going to base your discision on what bus to buy on running it, the 7.3 is the best choice-12 valve Cummins next.
That being said, you got 400 gallons of oil kicking around? You got a place to filter it it? You got a place to store it? You got space on your bus for 8 55 gallon drums-or a tank that size? You ever drive anything with 3200 lbs of movable ballast? If you think that everyone will be glad to give you their old oil, you're 10 years too late to the party. Its now something people PAY for-and BioD companies have aggressively snagged most of it.
I've been doing it for 9 years-and knowing now what I have learned-and the lack of availibility, I wouldn't do it again.



I have 2 acres a 1000 sqft. shop and I only work 4 days a week so I have time and space to process it. I'm hoping being that im in a small rural Texas town I would be the only "damn hippy" trying to use the waste oil. I have done work for the bbq reasturant in town and the owner is my dad's neighbor so I'm hoping he can help me out. Lastly, yes I drove a few fuel tankers in the army (around the motor pool and short trips to check breaks and what not) and towed tons of water buffalo's (500 gal. water tank on a trailer) however what ever tank or tanks I have will have baffles in them, prety substantial ones, if I purchase the tanks I will inspect the tanks and install or modify baffles....if I build the tanks (wich I probably will) they will have baffles.Thankfully I'm one of the guys that thinks the phrase "good enough" has killed modern day manufacturing....it's either good or it isn't.
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Old 04-06-2014, 10:04 AM   #13
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Back in the 1970's, Car and Driver sponsored a couple of "Cannonball Baker Sea-to-Shining-Sea Memorial Trophy Dash" events. These real events inspired the looney "Cannonball Run" movie. Each team carried a card punched in on the time clock at the Red Ball garage in Manhattan. On the west coast they punched out on the clock at the front desk of the Portofino Inn somewhere overlooking the Pacific Ocean. The shortest elapsed time won. They cancelled the events as being irresponsible during the mid-1970's gas crisis. Since I had stopped subscribing, I don't know if they ever ran it again.

One of the entries in one of the races was from the "Polish Racing Drivers of America." Their strategy was to drive a van with barrels of gasoline in the back, and save time by not making fuel stops. The result was that they did not calculate the reduced fuel mileage when carrying all the extra weight, and had to stop for fuel anyway.

The really fast exotic sports cars were usually delayed by law enforcement. The best strategy appeared to be to drive a big Buick sedan with the cruise control set about 93 MPH (150 kPH). Another one of the entries was a motorhome, with co-drivers cooking gourmet meals in the back to avoid food stops. They didn't place highly, but they ate well.

The later races proved to be tests for early radar detectors. One of the memorable entries was "The Flying Fathers," where the three drivers donned religious garb and drove a Mercedes sedan at Autobahn speeds. They hoped the costumes would cut them slack with the Highway Patrol. But it backfired. One trooper who pulled them over asked, "You wouldn't want me to lie when my radar said 70, would you?" and gave them a ticket. But the Mercedes had actually been going 120+ when the early radar detector went off and they smoked the brakes. (Edit: Maybe they only slowed to 90, I read it a long, long time ago.)

But I digress. The PRDoA entry burned into my young brain that you have to consider the weight being carried when planning the range on tanks of fuel.
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Old 04-06-2014, 08:07 PM   #14
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I hadn't thought of that redbear. That would be a good thing to take into consideration.
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Old 04-06-2014, 08:35 PM   #15
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PRDA-aka: Oscar Kovaleski. AutoWorld parts. He raced everything-including Can Am. They were big in the 70's with hop up parts for your slot cars. I spent much lunch money on my A/FX's with him.
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Old 04-15-2014, 12:46 PM   #16
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Check these guys out:

http://www.frybrid.net/index.htm

A Frybrid WVO system mitigates some of the inherent problems of using WVO as fuel by starting the engine on straight diesel, then heating the WVO to operating temperature before switching to run on WVO as fuel. You're also supposed to switch back to diesel for a short period of time before shutting down the engine.
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I personally don't like the Frybrid system. It is too automated. I prefer to have manual control over my system. It's also pricey. I have a Greasecar system in my old Mercedes, which I augmented and redesigned a bit. For my bus, I bought components from different places and will be designing my own system if I ever get around to it.
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