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Old 06-21-2018, 09:43 PM   #21
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Hey guys, just stumbled upon this thread researching a bus I am thinking about buying in the next couple weeks. It's a '99 Bluebird on an International chassis with a DT466. Its gauge cluster is intermittent, one start up it works, the next it's dead. I have little experience soldering and I am very weary of taking apart the cluster. Could this be a wiring issue as stated above? I'd hate to have to pass on it just because of this issue, but I would have to drive it home 1000+ miles and need to have the gauges working completely so I don't run it out of fuel or overheat it. Would this be a simple fix for a shop?

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Old 06-21-2018, 10:01 PM   #22
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For an electrical hobbyist, yes. Shop would just replace it. You can spend $265 for the bluetooth transmitter online and use a digital gauge on your tablet, if you prefer.
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Old 06-22-2018, 07:24 AM   #23
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For an electrical hobbyist, yes. Shop would just replace it. You can spend $265 for the bluetooth transmitter online and use a digital gauge on your tablet, if you prefer.
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im running digital gauges and never Look at the lower ones anymore.. just the fuel gauge and air pressure.. and im going to likely install different gauges for those and that way I can reconfig my dash to allow for A/C vents and yank the navistar panel altogether.. the ECM carries the odometer and hour meter officially..



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Old 06-22-2018, 07:27 AM   #24
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if you do want to keep the original panel you can send the cluster to Circuit Board Medics and they will fix it and send it back. i forget what they charge. but its not cheap.


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Old 06-22-2018, 08:02 AM   #25
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Christopher, you haven't seen pictures of my new dash. I'll have to post them later. 80% finished.
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Old 03-18-2019, 12:33 PM   #26
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Hey I’m new here and need help with a gauge issue ... I just picked up a international 4700 and all the wires where pulled outta the gauge plug was wondering if u or anyone would have a pin out or enough pics get me started
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Old 03-18-2019, 12:40 PM   #27
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Christopher, you haven't seen pictures of my new dash. I'll have to post them later. 80% finished.



im looking forweard to seeing what you have going!!!!! you are a tech dude like me so its gonna be wicked cool!!!!
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Old 03-18-2019, 12:41 PM   #28
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Hey I’m new here and need help with a gauge issue ... I just picked up a international 4700 and all the wires where pulled outta the gauge plug was wondering if u or anyone would have a pin out or enough pics get me started



what year and engine and which plug has the wires pulled out of it? there are 3 plugs
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Old 03-18-2019, 12:56 PM   #29
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The green one on a 1997 international 4700 466
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Old 03-18-2019, 01:28 PM   #30
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DT-466E or mechanical? Dash cluster has oil pressure gauge that sweeps 90 degrees(same needle sweep as fuel) or the one that looks like it sweeps almost full circle?
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It’s mechanical and yea 90 degree sweep
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Old 03-18-2019, 01:44 PM   #32
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mechanical engine and the oil gauge is a 90 degree sweep? that sounds off.. usually the 90 degree sweep gauges are the communicating cluster... they talk to the engine computer for the MPH, RPM, VOLTs, OIL, TEMP. the mechanical engines had an actual oil-line going to the oil gauge.. as did the early 'E' engines..
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Old 03-18-2019, 02:01 PM   #33
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Sorry i lied it almost goes full circle and mine did have a oil line to the back
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Old 03-18-2019, 03:00 PM   #34
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I am guessing this is in my future too as the gauges are hit and miss in my International. haven't driven it at night yet and not sure if any bulbs are out. but I guess I'll find out. I would love to see a close up of a cracked joint and/or repaired one.... just hitting all the contact points or the ones associated with the gauges?

I had to replace all the stepper motors in my Silverado dash (GM had problems with these for several years), I found that using 2 spoons to pry off the needles worked great. gently rock them off from 2 sides at the same time. I also used a bit of masking tape and a marker to note where the needles needed to be placed back.
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