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Old 06-10-2019, 06:43 AM   #21
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The rib is a single piece of hat channel material that forms both walls and the ceiling.

True on Bluebirds. Carpenter buses had separate wall/roof channels.
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Old 06-10-2019, 06:49 AM   #22
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True on Bluebirds. Carpenter buses had separate wall/roof channels.
Good ol' Carpenters: https://www.schoolbusfleet.com/artic...r-school-buses

Note that these were buses assembled (presumably) by professional welders working in factory conditions.
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Bluebird commercial buses and Wanderlodges have half the ribs of the vastly overbuilt school bus.
The timidness of this forum is palpable.
How do you get from "I am also not anti-roof raise, I just don't think people should be expecting their raised buses to be as structurally strong as they were before the modification." to "timidness"?
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How do you get from "I am also not anti-roof raise, I just don't think people should be expecting their raised buses to be as structurally strong as they were before the modification." to "timidness"?
It wasn't anything personal toward anyone.
Its just that folks who haven't cut a bus apart tend to be very timid and worried about such endeavors. These discussions come up pretty regularly.
The structural integrity of a school bus is beyond overkill. They're protecting a unique cargo though. Since the kind of folks with kids tend to sue a whole lot they build the buses beyond what any other vehicle would be.

That said- half the roof raises I see make me cringe.
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Old 06-10-2019, 08:11 AM   #25
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That bus and its occupants would be in trouble whether or not the roof is raised.
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Since the kind of folks with kids tend to sue a whole lot they build the buses beyond what any other vehicle would be.




I feel like that’s a pretty cynical way to look at it. The protection of children is one of the core values of our society and no law suit winnings will replace a lost life.

I seriously doubt parents are more litigious than anyone else.

Maybe that’s not what you were trying to imply, but it kind of struck a raw nerve.
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I feel like that’s a pretty cynical way to look at it. The protection of children is one of the core values of our society and no law suit winnings will replace a lost life.

I seriously doubt parents are more litigious than anyone else.

Maybe that’s not what you were trying to imply, but it kind of struck a raw nerve.
well- Parents are much more litigious when it comes to school boards!


As a non-parent I can't think of any reason to sue a school about bus safety.

LOL at my google search... It brought up a wiki of "how to sue a school"
https://www.wikihow.com/Sue-a-School

School supreintendents association article about lawsuits-
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By the very nature of our business, public education is, without a doubt, vulnerable to legal attacks: Title VII, Title IX, claims under the Conscientious Employee Protection Act, allegations of employee/student misconduct, bullying, discrimination, etc. The fear of being sued has forced public school teachers and administrators across the country to re-evaluate what they do and modify traditional curricular activities and co-curricular programs. It’s simply easier and certainly less expensive to modify or eliminate programs than to have to deal with the worry of lengthy litigation.

When our district’s legal expenses topped $500,000 during the 2003-2004 school year, Freehold Regional High School District administrators and board of education members agreed something had to be done. The number of lawsuits, the amount of administrative/staff time preparing for and appearing in the courtroom and subsequent expenses were unacceptable. These lawsuits were taking public money and valuable time away from our students. Thus began the development of a pro-active action plan that resulted in a significant reduction of new litigation and lowered our legal expenses by almost 40 percent after three years.
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lets just say, 'there is less work in doing a roof raise in a tour bus'
No doubt!


My first bus was an Eagle 10. I have spent 3x the hours on my Bluebird raise than I did on my Eagle....

Still worth the effort.
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