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Old 09-21-2015, 10:18 AM   #41
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Thanks. I was hoping for more. Like hauling a small machine/wood shop.
What about an articulated transit bus, live in the front, workshop in the back?

Or a double decker bus, live on the top, workshop below?
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Old 09-21-2015, 11:38 AM   #42
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if you are going to tow 14k pounds, you will need something more robust than either the AT545 or MT643 and you will need to install a tranny cooler on whatever you get

Nothing wrong with a MT643. It's rated GVW is double that of the AT545.
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Old 09-21-2015, 11:47 AM   #43
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I can't say that I have ever seen a single commercial tow rig that was rear engined.
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Old 09-21-2015, 12:08 PM   #44
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For some reason I was thinking that a RE or pusher was the way to go. Silly me. I do like the flat nosed style. I have thought that the drive shaft length would be an issue in the long run. I am not too keen on a short bus though ... wanted more space.
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Old 09-21-2015, 12:16 PM   #45
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I can't say that I have ever seen a single commercial tow rig that was rear engined.
Grayhound buses are commercial vehicles and pull the mail trailer for millions of miles.

They are rear engine buses, and that mail wagon is not light.

Your not going to unload the front tires on a 40ft bus. Leverage is to your advantage.

RE buses are all flat nose. I like the look of them as well.

I don't under stand why someone would want to use a short MDT with smaller brakes, engine, frame, axles, ect, over a long RE HDT. The HDT has lager of everything. The shorter the tow vehicle, the bigger the chance of unloading the front tires.

Most RE HDT (Heavy Duty Truck) buses are also air ride. One more plus for towing.

A 1000 pound hitch weight is not really that much. I tow more than that with the 2002 Dodge pick up truck sometimes.

Furthermore, if the 1000 pound hitch weight sounds like too much, then balance the trailer differently.

Same with the bus. All us people with front engine buses try to add more weight to the rear, behind the rear axle. This is due to the bus not being balanced from the factory.
The rear engine bus is already balanced quite well. However there is no room to add tanks, ect to the rear, everything must be mounted ahead of the rear axle. This all helps with keeping the RE bus balanced when towing.
This becomes evident when you drive kids around. My old FE dog nose bus, I would make kids sit at the back to make the bus ride better. My 03 RE they can sit where ever without it making much issue.

Now from state to state, province to province here in Canada, we have different legal limits of length for tow vehicle and trailer.
In Alberta I'm allowed 65 feet. So take 40 feet for the bus, that leaves 25 feet for trailer, including the tongue. Tongue will need to be around 5 feet min, so that gives you a 20 foot trailer.

Now to carry 14,000 pounds, the trailer will need to be a tri axle single wheel. A single tire tri axle will always out perform a duel wheel tandem.

Trailers also perform far better with torsion axles VS springs riding on axles. I won't pull a spring sprung trailer. They are just crap in comparison.

I used to drive MDT tow trucks. We got to tow almost everything on the road from the MDT down to scooters. Rear wheel lifts are some of the biggest tongue weights ever experienced in a towing situation. Much experience was gained from this job. 1000 pound tongue weight is nothing on a 40 ft long bus.

This thread is starting to crack me up. Too many people that have no clue running their mouths. Pull your head out of the sand people.

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Old 09-21-2015, 12:52 PM   #46
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I can't say that I have ever seen a single commercial tow rig that was rear engined.
I haven't either.
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The MT643 has lockup in both 3rd and 4th, but other than that, Nat is 1000% correct. Take his advice.
That said, I do have some rear engine buses with mechanical 8.3s and MD3060s. They are super rare which is why I'm asking over 5k for them, but they are worth every cent.
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I haven't either.
That's because it isn't the ideal set up unless you are flat-towing which is nothing even similar to a trailer/tongue setup in terms of weight transfer. I've been driving MDT/HDT trucks for years and most of that was towing.

Also, my 20 years of experience has taught me that just because a vehicle CAN tow 14,000 lbs, doesn't mean it SHOULD. Towing (tongue weight), stopping, and steering are all factors in towing and that is why you don't see RE tow vehicles.
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Welcome Bodyworx

Unless you have been driving a rear engine bus for 20 years, I disregard anything you say.

There are no similarity to the experience of driving a front engine HDT and a rear engine HDT, so any experience you have is not valid.

Again I will mention that Grey Hound Buses are rear engine, and pull 15,000 pound mail trailers millions of miles.

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Welcome Bodyworx

Unless you have been driving a rear engine bus for 20 years, I disregard anything you say.

There are no similarity to the experience of driving a front engine HDT and a rear engine HDT, so any experience you have is not valid.

Again I will mention that Grey Hound Buses are rear engine, and pull 15,000 pound mail trailers millions of miles.

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I was responding to the issue of not seeing many RE tow vehicles, not trying to enter a masculinity contest. I know what i know and you know what you know. If i were towing a 7 ton trailer, i wouldn't pick a RE bus as the 'IDEAL' vehicle to do it. Carry on.

not at all saying it CAN'T be done, just saying it's not ideal.
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