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Old 09-11-2015, 12:33 AM   #11
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Before you proceed with constructing them, check your state laws regarding secret or concealed compartments in vehicles.

I know here in North Carolina a vehicle found with hidden compartments can be seized by LEO. Doesn't have to have any contraband in them but intent is assumed. Anti-drug running measure.
Well I will be a full time nomad so I don't think that will much matter. The goal is to just make someone look over it and keep moving. With modern X-ray you can't stop the govt unless you paint your rig in several dozen coats of lead paint.

https://reason.com/archives/2014/02/...en-compartment

I think you could get some leverage if its a motorhome. That and I think its a fail if your bus smells like you have a secret compartment full of nefarious agriculture. I also think you could say no argue its a locking closet that you were not trying to obfuscate but rather just keep closed. Because I am guessing most under bed storage and flush fit closets in almost all RVs would count as secret compartments according to those laws. So I wouldn't be too worried about those.
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Last time I checked, no matter where you are in the United States, a cop HAS to have a warrant, signed by a judge, to enter and search. That goes for search dogs as well. They may only search the outside. And of course, if you have contraband stored on the outside, well, stupid is as stupid does......

As far as Canada goes........ Idunnoaboutthat!

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Last time I checked, no matter where you are in the United States, a cop HAS to have a warrant, signed by a judge, to enter and search. That goes for search dogs as well. They may only search the outside. And of course, if you have contraband stored on the outside, well, stupid is as stupid does......

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An important caveat to that is that when asked you don't give consent. Once you've consented then the search warrant requirement goes out the window and anything found is fair game to be used against you. Many people either passively consent for fear that refusal is an immediate red flag of guilt or they don't realize the implications of such an innocent sounding request as, 'care if I have a look inside?'. No that officer is not interested in your build-out - he's looking for a legal route to search without a warrant. And unless he has just cause which has to be demonstrated in any future legal proceeding relating to the search then there is no mandate for law-abiding citizens to submitted to unwarranted searches. You don't have to be a jerk but knowing your rights and the laws which restrain a totalitarian police state are invaluable.
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Old 09-11-2015, 01:27 PM   #14
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Last time I checked, no matter where you are in the United States, a cop HAS to have a warrant, signed by a judge, to enter and search. That goes for search dogs as well. They may only search the outside. And of course, if you have contraband stored on the outside, well, stupid is as stupid does......

As far as Canada goes........ Idunnoaboutthat!

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If the search dog indicates a "hit", the LEO has probable cause and unfettered access to search your vehicle inside and out.

HINT: A search dog will indicate a "hit" if the officer gives it a command such as "LOOK THERE!" despite there being no contraband.
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I always give police every bit of resistance I can legally without breaking the law.

They are nothing special to me. Just people with red blood running in their veins.

I don't just let them walk all over me like some. To many people are gutless.

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In martial arts at a certain point you can't advance ranks if you don't teach so about the time I was working no my 3 rd or 4th degree black belt in jujitsu my school started teaching jujitsu to cops for free. I helped teach jujitsu to cops for quite a while. When you get that many of them in one place off duty they will inevitably start talking shop. What I learned has made not respect that entire profession. Good cops like good teachers get frustrated and leave the job after 5 years. They can get into your vehicle no matter what, PERIOD. Above all else cops hate to loose and they will push, bend and break what they think they can to win. The only thing you can do is make them jump through the hoops, or get them to violate you rights bad enough that what they find can't be used in court.

They don't need dogs to get into a motor home they can ask everyone to step out of the vehicle and then say we heard something inside the RV and had exigent circumstances to go in and look for more passengers who refused to follow the order leave the RV. Now that they are in they have plain sight rules and more things to find probable cause.

The goal isn't to hide things just from cops, its to hide it from the world. Given enough time and determination anything can be found my goal is to not make it an obvious target. Part of my reason for asking was to try and find out where the common places were and avoid them. Under the bed is a bit obvious just like the couch, I do like the toe kick idea but not for anything too important.
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Under the steel floor, inside a wall, ect.

When doing the amount of fab some of us are, the sky is the limit.

Under the bed is kind of senseless.
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I've always suspected that about law enforcement, so your observation confirmed it. After all, who in their right mind in this day and age wants to spend 20-30 years being shot at and then tried by social media before all the facts are even in?! So as a society we're basically creating a community of LEOs who are the bottom of the barrel.

Along that same line, that also kind of makes my point that while they do have plenty of tactics to surreptitiously avoid those pesky laws and basic rights, in this age where every phone is a video camera they have to be sure there's something worth taking that risk because you know the cameras were rolling the moment the red-and-blues started flashing. And all that footage can be used against them faster than they can bring charges against you. Such is the power of social media, and with great comes great responsibility! (Sorry, couldn't resist). So why I get your concern for stealth I guess I just don't feel as much onus for it and I think I'm a pretty paranoid individual when it comes to stuff like the downward spiral of society.
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Mainly to keep stuff from getting stolen. I also want to keep as many windows on the bus as possible, so you want everything to look innocuous as possible. While I don't plan on inviting everyone I meet onto the bus, I still want somewhere that most people won't know about. Except all you guys of course.
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Our secret compartment is located behind the "entertainment center"

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7ec73a02.jpg

It has changed considerably since this picture (promise to take recent pictures soon).

We divided the depth in half 12" in front & 12" in the rear. We cut a hole 12 & 14 on the left side for access to the back.

This is hidden by us cutting another cabinet we had 12X12X36 in half and placing on the left side. the front cabinet is secured while the rear cabinet is designed for us to pull out to access the rear of the entertainment center.

I have no problem sharing this info because all I plan to put back there is seasonal things we most likely won't be going into that area much. The reason for doing this is that we will have our CDs on the top shelf & DVDs on the bottom, two rows deep and we didn't want to have any fall waaaaaay to the rear, hence our hidden compartment.

It only became a hidden area when I decided that cutting the spare cabinet in half would fit perfectly otherwise a fold down desk top was to go in that space.
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