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12-03-2017, 08:43 AM
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#41
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Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Pensacola, Fl
Posts: 122
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: not sure
Engine: Catepillar 3126B not Cummins
Rated Cap: not sure
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Oh believe me, I know. I've been looking 24 in refrig and stove. Can a gas stove use propane? Here's possible layout I'll be using. My question is this can you have either appliances be front facing toward the driver? If so, how do you prevent the refrig. from overheating in the back. How do you keep it from going forward if you stop suddenly? Is it possible to do an L shape?
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12-03-2017, 09:08 AM
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#42
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Owasso, OK
Posts: 2,627
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner MVP ER
Engine: Cummins 6CTA8.3 Mechanical MD3060
Rated Cap: 46 Coach Seats, 40 foot
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Quote:
Originally Posted by skytz
Oh believe me, I know. I've been looking 24 in refrig and stove. Can a gas stove use propane? Here's possible layout I'll be using. My question is this can you have either appliances be front facing toward the driver? If so, how do you prevent the refrig. from overheating in the back. How do you keep it from going forward if you stop suddenly? Is it possible to do an L shape?
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Most stoves come with propane conversion kits in the box.
Fridges tend to be built in between other things, and braced so they can't fall forwards. Some folk buy or fix things inside the fridge to stop the contents moving. Fridges are not left free-standing in a vehicle.
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12-03-2017, 09:32 AM
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#43
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Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Pensacola, Fl
Posts: 122
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: not sure
Engine: Catepillar 3126B not Cummins
Rated Cap: not sure
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It was mentioned that if I put the fresh water tank under the bed, it had to be centered. My concern is how to get access to refill it? It'll be closed off from the back. I thought I could get from the side. Are you suppose to have both the shower and the kitchen on the same side? I thought they had to be on opposite sides to even out the weight distribution. This is the layout I plan on using. Ignore the dead space in between the bed and the bathroom. As you can see from the earlier picture the wall separating the bed area and the front will stretch 4.5 feet.
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12-03-2017, 09:36 AM
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#44
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Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Pensacola, Fl
Posts: 122
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: not sure
Engine: Catepillar 3126B not Cummins
Rated Cap: not sure
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Twigg
Most stoves come with propane conversion kits in the box.
Fridges tend to be built in between other things, and braced so they can't fall forwards. Some folk buy or fix things inside the fridge to stop the contents moving. Fridges are not left free-standing in a vehicle.
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But can they be front facing toward the driver. If so how do you go about making a frame to not only keep them fixed and will it overheat if it is enclosed?
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12-03-2017, 09:38 AM
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#45
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Owasso, OK
Posts: 2,627
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner MVP ER
Engine: Cummins 6CTA8.3 Mechanical MD3060
Rated Cap: 46 Coach Seats, 40 foot
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You want the weight to be evenly distributed, but these vehicles are designed to carry way more weight than you will be building in, so there is leeway.
Water tanks are filled from outside the bus through a skin fitting:
Gravity Water Hatch, Pol. White - $23.90
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12-03-2017, 09:48 AM
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#46
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Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Pensacola, Fl
Posts: 122
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: not sure
Engine: Catepillar 3126B not Cummins
Rated Cap: not sure
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Twigg
You want the weight to be evenly distributed, but these vehicles are designed to carry way more weight than you will be building in, so there is leeway.
Water tanks are filled from outside the bus through a skin fitting:
Gravity Water Hatch, Pol. White - $23.90
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I understand that part. What's got me confused is based on my understanding, if you center the tank towards the center of the bus, there's a major gap between the tank and the side of the bus. That's why I posted the layout so I can get clarification.
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12-03-2017, 09:53 AM
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#47
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by skytz
I understand that part. What's got me confused is based on my understanding, if you center the tank towards the center of the bus, there's a major gap between the tank and the side of the bus. That's why I posted the layout so I can get clarification.
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two words for you-
FILLER NECK
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12-03-2017, 10:07 AM
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#48
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Owasso, OK
Posts: 2,627
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner MVP ER
Engine: Cummins 6CTA8.3 Mechanical MD3060
Rated Cap: 46 Coach Seats, 40 foot
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Quote:
Originally Posted by skytz
I understand that part. What's got me confused is based on my understanding, if you center the tank towards the center of the bus, there's a major gap between the tank and the side of the bus. That's why I posted the layout so I can get clarification.
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You put 1 1/2" pipe between the filler and the tank. There is a fitting on the tank to take it.
Block the bottom of the tank so it can't slide around.
ps ... you also add a 1/2" vent-pipe from the top of the tank back to the filler.
It would be well worth your time to spend a few hours at an RV Dealer, crawling over the vehicles to see how things like this are arranged.
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12-03-2017, 11:15 AM
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#49
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Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Pensacola, Fl
Posts: 122
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: not sure
Engine: Catepillar 3126B not Cummins
Rated Cap: not sure
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Ok, thanks for the clarification on the tank. What about my earlier question about the refrigerator. Excuse me, two questions. And is feasible to set up the kitchen in a L shape. Do you know anyone who has done that.
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12-03-2017, 12:43 PM
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#50
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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I think the guys with "L" shaped buses probably arrange their interiors like that. Most of us have a bowling alley shaped buses with the walkway down the center. It's generally kept that way because for adults the ceiling is frequently to low on the sides to put the walkway in that area.
You're on the right track. You don't want a fridge hitting you in the back of the head when you slam on the breaks because someone ran in front of you. For normal fridges you also need something to secure the door closed while traveling. Even if the fridge doesn't move, the contents tend to hit the door and force it open allowing your food to go all over the place. It's a learning process.
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Nobody's Business
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12-03-2017, 12:55 PM
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#51
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Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Pensacola, Fl
Posts: 122
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: not sure
Engine: Catepillar 3126B not Cummins
Rated Cap: not sure
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin97396
I think the guys with "L" shaped buses probably arrange their interiors like that. Most of us have a bowling alley shaped buses with the walkway down the center. It's generally kept that way because for adults the ceiling is frequently to low on the sides to put the walkway in that area.
You're on the right track. You don't want a fridge hitting you in the back of the head when you slam on the breaks because someone ran in front of you. For normal fridges you also need something to secure the door closed while traveling. Even if the fridge doesn't move, the contents tend to hit the door and force it open allowing your food to go all over the place. It's a learning process.
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Pardon my confusion, feel a little slow. Guess too busy focusing on whether or not its ok to have the refrigerator facing the front as compared to how most are situated facing the side. And whether or not the back of the fridge will overheat if its totally enclosed.
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12-03-2017, 01:10 PM
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#52
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Owasso, OK
Posts: 2,627
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner MVP ER
Engine: Cummins 6CTA8.3 Mechanical MD3060
Rated Cap: 46 Coach Seats, 40 foot
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Quote:
Originally Posted by skytz
Pardon my confusion, feel a little slow. Guess too busy focusing on whether or not its ok to have the refrigerator facing the front as compared to how most are situated facing the side. And whether or not the back of the fridge will overheat if its totally enclosed.
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Most domestic fridges are "boxed in".
The installation instructions will specify the ventilation they need above and below ... and maybe at the sides too as that's where they put the cooling coils these days.
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12-03-2017, 01:30 PM
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#53
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Swansboro,NC
Posts: 2,989
Year: 86
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Ford B700
Engine: 8.2
Rated Cap: 60 bodies
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Any gas appliances are going to come ready for natural gas or propane.
If it's shipped ready for natural gas then then you will need to order the conversion kit which is nothing more than a different orifice/s size a different tensioned spring to go into the factory installed regulator in the unit and a sticker that tells whoever works on it next that it has been converted to LP gas.
As for as the fridge?
You can frame it in tight and or secure it with L-brackets to the floor,wall and or use tethers kind of like for a baby seat.
The sky is the limit.
If you don't want it to move secure it.
Even house hold appliances come with some form of anchor to keep it from tipping over on a child climbing on it.
Several options.
I chose putting all of my kitchen,including sink,stove framing,fridge onto a wet area(solid rubber sheet) framed the fridge in tight and did a little threshold in front of the fridge up to the finished flooring. It's not coming out of there on its own.
I know cause I had to pull it out and use in my house a year ago while my house fridge was mucked up. And getting it back in was just as fun?
I tend to over build so anytime I have to undo something that I have done then my wife and kids all grab a chair to watch and help as needed(but not without laughing) at me arguing with myself about was that really necessary. At the time I felt it was important and still do but as the years drag on I kinda forget some of the few extra steps I took until I get my hands on it again?
Yeah baby we can just use the fridge off of the bus until I can replace the compressor on this one?
Shoulda been yeah we can plug the bus in and use the fridge up there until I can fix this one?
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12-05-2017, 11:55 AM
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#54
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: SW New Hampshire
Posts: 1,334
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Twigg
It would be well worth your time to spend a few hours at an RV Dealer, crawling over the vehicles to see how things like this are arranged.
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I've never owned an RV, so I always go to the shows that happen in arenas in the winter.You get to see how various things and systems are installed without having to buy them. Plus, you can buy 6 different systems to keep your gutters clean and 2 to renew your bathtub!
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12-05-2017, 12:07 PM
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#55
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Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Pensacola, Fl
Posts: 122
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: not sure
Engine: Catepillar 3126B not Cummins
Rated Cap: not sure
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Thanks for all the inputs. Appreciate the help.
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12-05-2017, 07:58 PM
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#56
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Tempe, AZ
Posts: 66
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Chevy Midbus
Engine: GM 6.5 Turbo Diesel
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin97396
I think the guys with "L" shaped buses probably arrange their interiors like that. Most of us have a bowling alley shaped buses with the walkway down the center. It's generally kept that way because for adults the ceiling is frequently to low on the sides to put the walkway in that area.
You're on the right track. You don't want a fridge hitting you in the back of the head when you slam on the breaks because someone ran in front of you. For normal fridges you also need something to secure the door closed while traveling. Even if the fridge doesn't move, the contents tend to hit the door and force it open allowing your food to go all over the place. It's a learning process.
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I would love an L shaped bus.. Maybe Tango can fabricate one when he's done with the shorty?
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12-05-2017, 08:10 PM
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#57
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Traveling
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Midwest
Posts: 2,573
Year: 2003
Coachwork: BlueBird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: 5.9L Cummins
Rated Cap: '00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jordan76
I would love an L shaped bus.. Maybe Tango can fabricate one when he's done with the shorty?
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Very nice L-Job
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12-05-2017, 08:30 PM
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#58
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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Darn right. We don't just need ones shaped like an "L". Some of them need to be shaped like a "7".
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Nobody's Business
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12-05-2017, 09:16 PM
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#59
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Skoolie
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Pensacola, Fl
Posts: 122
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: not sure
Engine: Catepillar 3126B not Cummins
Rated Cap: not sure
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Does anyone have pictures of an L shaped kitchen? My intent is to have a wall that is 4.5 ft across, separating the back from the front. The kitchen will start at that wall and continue in a L shape.
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12-06-2017, 09:07 AM
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#60
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Rusty's post has a link to a page with pics..
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