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Old 11-05-2016, 12:45 PM   #1
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Upper flashing lights as turn signals?

I see a lot of ex-School buses with the upper lights on front and back removed or painted over. Does anyone know if its legal to use these lamps as the turn signals? I'm looking at a bus that has the front turn signals alongside the headlamps and i'd like to convert it to a dual headlamp setup and have the turn signals somewhere else. This bus has a sloping hood and no fenders so its awkward to mount them anywhere else lower down.
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Old 11-05-2016, 01:24 PM   #2
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it is state dependent.. when I called the DMV in Ohio about it.. they said turn signals and brake lights up high on a vehicle in and of themselves were not an issue.. however because the vehicle used to be a school bus.. and even though a different color, this was not permitted as to "give people the wrong idea" when being driven...

my original plan was to do exactly that on the rear and then have extra off-road lights on the front...
I called 2 different DMV offices in ohio abd both said same..

so I would Look at your state's Laws and see what they say.. I have seen other people turn all their lenses to orange and have no issues... ..

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Old 11-07-2016, 03:00 PM   #3
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I plan on putting a set of clear lens spot light type lights as high beams in the spaces at the front and convert the rear to red and use them as brake lights.
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Old 11-07-2016, 04:11 PM   #4
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it is state dependent.. when I called the DMV in Ohio about it.. they said turn signals and brake lights up high on a vehicle in and of themselves were not an issue.. however because the vehicle used to be a school bus.. and even though a different color, this was not permitted as to "give people the wrong idea" when being driven...

my original plan was to do exactly that on the rear and then have extra off-road lights on the front...
I called 2 different DMV offices in ohio abd both said same..

so I would Look at your state's Laws and see what they say.. I have seen other people turn all their lenses to orange and have no issues... ..

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Old 11-07-2016, 04:15 PM   #5
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I read that... and was confused thats why I called DMV... it can be read one way that only a church bus has to remove them... or it can be read that any purpose other than a school bus has to remove them.. so i opted to remove them..

the DMV people read it in the way that they needed to be removed for any operation other than a school bus...

its one of those that Invites a stop... sure if I got a ticket im sure I could fight it and say there is 2 ways to read it.. However id rather not invite a stop...

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Old 11-07-2016, 07:49 PM   #7
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I plan on putting a set of clear lens spot light type lights as high beams in the spaces at the front and convert the rear to red and use them as brake lights.
any headlight up that high would be illegal in every state, since every state has adopted the federal uniform lighting code, there is a max height for headlights or fog lights on the road, which is why jeeps and such have their roll bar mounted lights covered on the road

I was planing on using the flashers as brake lights, glad I saw this post since I am in Ohio
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Old 11-08-2016, 07:09 AM   #8
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I plan on putting a set of clear lens spot light type lights as high beams in the spaces at the front and convert the rear to red and use them as brake lights.
My old Ford bus had halogens up top. Just two. They were not connected to the headlights. A separate switch and they would reach out between an 1/8 to 1/4 mile.
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Old 11-08-2016, 07:35 AM   #9
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you can have white lights up high as long as you dont use them on road... the jeep guys are not required to cover them up.. they just do to prevent them accidentilly shining during the day which might invite a traffic stop.. in a jeep they are also very prone to getting busted by rocks so the covers protect them..

the new LED light bars the jeepers are putting on are often uncovered.. they are low profile and much less likely to get damaged by rocks...

Ohio just seemed not to like any operable light up high so I played it safe.. but I think in many cases re-purposing those lights is not illegal..

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Old 11-08-2016, 07:38 AM   #10
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I plan on installing square LEDs up top where the rear flashers were (yellow outboard, red inboard). No mistaking them for bus flashers.
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