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Old 02-17-2018, 07:23 PM   #1
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Vaulted ceiling and residential windows?

Hey Everyone,

I came across Nat_ster's build thread recently. I got excited about some of his ideas.

I had considered a vaulted ceiling like he was doing. I had some ideas as to how I would go about it. I think Nat_ster had a better idea.

I also am curious as to how the residential windows worked out. I would not have considered residential (tempered) until I saw his build.

Anyone here followed his example or know how his build worked out?

I am really curious about those two items.

Thank you.

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Old 02-17-2018, 09:58 PM   #2
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IMHO, a bus flexes to much for house windows and over time they may leak and become drafty.
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Old 02-17-2018, 11:16 PM   #3
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It's funny that you should bring up Nate's. He left this site, just about the time I signed up, due to some trouble similar to the recent bannings. He was also apparently quite a knowledgable guy. I've only read portions of his build and it's usually very interesting. I tried to contact him several years ago but he didn't respond.
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Old 02-17-2018, 11:25 PM   #4
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It's funny that you should bring up Nate's. He left this site, just about the time I signed up, due to some trouble similar to the recent bannings. He was also apparently quite a knowledgable guy. I've only read portions of his build and it's usually very interesting. I tried to contact him several years ago but he didn't respond.
In the last 24 hours, several people have contacted me with concerns about how some folk on this site interact.

To be honest, it's a little depressing. I came here because I wanted to build a Skoolie. Indeed, I am building a Skoolie and that journey will continue regardless.

There should be no "territory" here, no reason to not simply accept people's differences and revel in a joint enterprise.

This is a Forum, about School Buses. There are real problems in the world and none of them surround school buses.

I have views. I could go on for hours about politics, guns, religion and the rest of the hot-button issues. I don't do that here. I don't care what personal views people hold provided all they are discussing with me and others is the conversion of their bus. The site will run vastly more smoothly if we all leave our thoughts about the last President, or the current one, at the door, and if we refrain from forming cliques.

I resolve to remain out of it, and post about buses. If I am wrong then tell me I'm wrong, but you don't need "supporters" for your view, because I don't bite.

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Old 02-17-2018, 11:29 PM   #5
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Nat's long gone but OLTrunt used some residential windows in his build. He's mostly over on Nomadicista.com these days but still stops by Skoolie now and then.

http://www.skoolie.net/forums/f20/ho...mite-9669.html

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Hey Everyone,

I came across Nat_ster's build thread recently. I got excited about some of his ideas.

I had considered a vaulted ceiling like he was doing. I had some ideas as to how I would go about it. I think Nat_ster had a better idea.

I also am curious as to how the residential windows worked out. I would not have considered residential (tempered) until I saw his build.

Anyone here followed his example or know how his build worked out?

I am really curious about those two items.

Thank you.

S.
You must be talking about the four season prime. haha. yes he did some great work on that bus and i wish i could've seen it go further as well. i was also going to go the vaulted ceiling route, since i was going with a cabin feel, it wouldve worked great BUT in the end i ended up just using the natural bus curve. for no particular reason.
he covered everything in POR15, he even got the inside of the ribs coated with it, with a wire and paint soaked towel. now thats some ingenuity!
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Old 02-18-2018, 09:53 AM   #7
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IMHO, a bus flexes to much for house windows and over time they may leak and become drafty.
That has been my thought as well.

I am hoping to hear from folks who have tried it and see how it worked out in the real world.
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Old 02-26-2018, 02:09 PM   #8
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From time to time I have seen buses with residential windows.

I have some concerns about longevity in this application.

I would love to hear from someone who has done it regarding how they perform over time?

Thanks.
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Old 03-15-2018, 10:41 PM   #9
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I just bought one of these to see how well it would fit in my build.

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Old 03-15-2018, 10:53 PM   #10
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I would think the glass should be tempered or safety glass...I would be really worried about hitting a big bump and having the residential style glass shatter....

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Ya...don't let DOT catch you on the road with anything but safety glass.
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Old 03-16-2018, 04:11 AM   #12
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Ya...don't let DOT catch you on the road with anything but safety glass.

I would think the glass should be tempered or safety glass...I would be really worried about hitting a big bump and having the residential style glass shatter....

...Which is why I post for a sanity check. Back to the drawing board - searching for tempered windows.
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Old 03-16-2018, 11:55 AM   #13
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...Which is why I post for a sanity check. Back to the drawing board - searching for tempered windows.
Good move! I see people on FB skoolie pages doing stuff without checking first and it's scary in some cases!!! Example: we put the batteries in the storage box under the bus and it collapsed. Thank God it collapsed before they got on the road!!! One thing I am doing it asking myself for each decision "What would happen in an accident?" Front, rear, side, rollover? I'm also trying to keep in mind insurance. The fact that you are able to correctly engineer a roof deck does not mean that an insurance company will cover your bus if you do. They may, but check first for things like that or a roof raise which may substantially change the center of gravity or safety of the vehicle. State laws vary and insurance varies by state as well.

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Old 03-16-2018, 12:10 PM   #14
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Good move! I see people on FB skoolie pages doing stuff without checking first and it's scary in some cases!!! Example: we put the batteries in the storage box under the bus and it collapsed. Thank God it collapsed before they got on the road!!! One thing I am doing it asking myself for each decision "What would happen in an accident?" Front, rear, side, rollover? I'm also trying to keep in mind insurance. The fact that you are able to correctly engineer a roof deck does not mean that an insurance company will cover your bus if you do. They may, but check first for things like that or a roof raise which may substantially change the center of gravity or safety of the vehicle. State laws vary and insurance varies by state as well.

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Of those items, a simple roof-raise won't have a major effect on the CoG.

The bulk of the 18700 lbs my empty bus weighs is under or arond the floor level. The roof probably weighs about 500 lbs or so. Raising that 12" would lift the CoG, but not by much.

I just think that most things can be accomplished if they are done thoughtfully.

This means not putting 200 gallons of water at ceiling height, something I have seen proposed.
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Of those items, a simple roof-raise won't have a major effect on the CoG.

The bulk of the 18700 lbs my empty bus weighs is under or arond the floor level. The roof probably weighs about 500 lbs or so. Raising that 12" would lift the CoG, but not by much.

I just think that most things can be accomplished if they are done thoughtfully.

This means not putting 200 gallons of water at ceiling height, something I have seen proposed.
The roof raise itself doesn't affect the CoG much, but it *can* affect the safety. It's a structural change that means the vehicle is considered a re-build in NV which requires a safety inspection and a signed statement from a body shop or similar in order to register it. I'm sure that affects insurance as well. This is all from my reading of the NV statutes yesterday. I'm not a lawyer. Take all this with a grain of salt and do your own research to verify anything you read online!

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I think a lot of new double pane windows are already safety glass. look if there is a little mark in the corner.

2martins, yes that why there are Professional Engineers who can give it a stamp of approval... doubt that you will find a PE crazy enough to do that.
It is not bad to fly under your own stamp of approval and take full responsibility for your decisions, if something bad happens they will sure know where to find you.
Here in PA I can not legally put a diesel motor or electric motor in a gasoline car without pulling of a whole bag of tricks and a bag of money. Not to say that I cannot find a backwoods vehicle inspection station that gives the car an inspection sticker for an additional cae of beer.



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I just bought one of these to see how well it would fit in my build.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/American...n-LS/204781460

You should also add one of these and never turn it off.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Home-Dec...3-BN/206394978

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You should also add one of these and never turn it off.

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That was just mean ... Love it
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That was just mean ... Love it



I wasn't going for mean. I was going for funny. It was supposed to be a play off the vaulted ceilings.
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I wasn't going for mean. I was going for funny. It was supposed to be a play off the vaulted ceilings.
It was funny, that's why I liked it
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