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Old 05-23-2016, 06:10 PM   #11
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Thanx for the pdf link ol trunt..it was interesting .

Basically I'm looking at welding a piece of 4 or 5 inch box beam just in front of the rear wheel wells, and just behind the front ones, under the frame. I'm not looking for the strength to lift the bus with jacks, just enough to unload the springs so it feels solid walking around and minor leveling. If its very uneven I would drive onto blocks first. To that end I see myself "stitch"welding with beads no longer than 3/4" along the bend where web turns to flange.
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Old 05-23-2016, 06:15 PM   #12
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Well dang..looks like the weld/not weld is heavily leaning "not weld".

Guess I'll think some more on this.
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Old 05-23-2016, 06:16 PM   #13
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Just a thought... What about a small box beam spanning beneath both sides of the frame and then bolted up with U-bolts? No drilling or welding on the frame at all.

http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/parts/r...lizer-jack.htm
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Old 05-23-2016, 07:51 PM   #14
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I have worked on semis and trailers and we never welded to frames. A previous poster was right, it messes with the temper. If you look at new semis and trailers, everything is bolted on.
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Old 05-23-2016, 08:20 PM   #15
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Next time you pull up next to am Isuzu box truck, look at the frame. There are hundreds of holes in the frame from the factory. They are the only truck that I have seen like that.
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Old 05-23-2016, 08:22 PM   #16
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I know some people don't like Nat, but up to this point he has presented the argument in the simplistic terms.
This is a quote from my trailer hitch thread that wound up in a mess.

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What this should have said was
"Don't drill holes within 3/4 inch of the shoulder of the frame."

If the holes are no bigger than 3/4 inch, and centered in the flange,
your fine.


Welding to the frame is a no no. It will cause the hardened steel to crack.

Nat
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I would like to add, That the centered part does not apply to the web of a frame. but the 3/4 inch from the shoulder does.
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Old 05-24-2016, 08:30 AM   #17
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"Welding to the frame is a no no. It will cause the hardened steel to crack. "

That settles it. You had me at "crack". Got my attention a little better than "temper", or "strength".

" What about a small box beam spanning beneath both sides of the frame and then bolted up with U-bolts? No drilling or welding on the frame at all."

This is the direction it looks like I will go.

Thank you everybody for all the excellent info
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To pick up where Tango left off, when I was building my bus I added outriggers to support the bus body on the Chevy W3500 chassis I used. In my case, the chassis is mild steel so it is pretty forgiving. I should point out that the top and bottom portions of a channel frame are called flanges while the vertical "side" is called the web.

I went to the following website for specific info on frame modifications for my particular vehicle, but I think the info presented there would be a good starting point for anyone contemplating frame modifications. In particular, pages 15-17 should be of interest.

https://www.gmupfitter.com/files/med...abForwardW.pdf.

Hope this helps. Jack

That was interesting and informative. I like the drawing showing how to properly attach bracing to the frame channel. The ends must be cut at 45 degrees and plug welds or cold rivets used. No stitch welding or perimeter welding of the brace is allowed for proper strength. Great info Jack!
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"I would like to add, That the centered part does not apply to the web of a frame. but the 3/4 inch from the shoulder does."

For clarification, Is Nat saying it's ok to drill in the web as long as your more than 3/4in away from the shoulder??
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ive always bolted to the frames... if I needed something where there wasnt a hole or a boss I sometimes created my own brackets that would hang over the top of the frame, or fabricated brackets.. I was told that drilling in the frame was Ok for horizontal surfaces as long as I never exceeded 40% perforation in any 6 square inch section of the same frame surface.... that came from an old GM guy and it pertained to body on frame RWD cars and light trucks..

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