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Old 04-22-2018, 09:54 AM   #11
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I would look at it closer as I wonder if it really is a juice brake system. I have my doubts.
Cat 6 cylinder engines are fine, which it likely is a c7 or the like.

But if it has air brakes and the ad says hydraulic, I would question the knowledge of the seller to even answer a question honestly.
There were a lot of Type 'D' buses built with wet brakes. It just isn't approved for school bus use in buses of that size in most of the western states.

My problem with the Cat engines is they tend to have more problems than a Cummins or IC/IHC engine. The 3116 had so many problems that Cat did a redesign and called it the 3126. It still had some problems and Cat redesigned it again and called it the C7. Due to continual problems Cat got out of the on-road engine business.
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Old 04-22-2018, 11:38 AM   #12
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Great info. Thanks!
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Old 04-22-2018, 01:53 PM   #13
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There were a lot of Type 'D' buses built with wet brakes. It just isn't approved for school bus use in buses of that size in most of the western states.

My problem with the Cat engines is they tend to have more problems than a Cummins or IC/IHC engine. The 3116 had so many problems that Cat did a redesign and called it the 3126. It still had some problems and Cat redesigned it again and called it the C7. Due to continual problems Cat got out of the on-road engine business.
See this too must be a location thing etc. Cat is a great engine in my circle. Cummins and IHC are too. The 3116 was a new adventure for cat, and like all new adventures, there is risk. But the cummins spins bearings, and the IHC blows dampers off the front of the crank. But this is only my experience, and it too can be an application thing.

Cat quit the on road engine business because of deq. DEF and tier 4 were just going too far. And most will agree, the emissions causes more failure than hardware of all brands.

Thanks for the info on the brakes. I did not know that.
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Old 04-22-2018, 02:34 PM   #14
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See this too must be a location thing etc. Cat is a great engine in my circle. Cummins and IHC are too. The 3116 was a new adventure for cat, and like all new adventures, there is risk. But the cummins spins bearings, and the IHC blows dampers off the front of the crank. But this is only my experience, and it too can be an application thing.

Cat quit the on road engine business because of deq. DEF and tier 4 were just going too far. And most will agree, the emissions causes more failure than hardware of all brands.

Thanks for the info on the brakes. I did not know that.
My dad drove OTR my whole life, now he does "hot shot" hauling.
He LOVES Cat, but he's quick to point out he's never had to fix one. My uncle is the maintenance manager for a fleet here in FL and he likes the 3126 but he says to avoid the C7 like the plague.
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Again, thanks! Great engine info here!
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