View Poll Results: What kind of fuel are you using?
Gasoline 50 20.08%
Diesel 162 65.06%
Propane 17 6.83%
Veggie Oil 17 6.83%
Other 3 1.20%
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Old 11-28-2003, 07:30 PM   #1
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What kind of fuel are you using?

Well, there are lot of options. If you have an opinion about one over the other feel free to tell us why.
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Old 11-29-2003, 04:06 PM   #2
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i use diesel. I love the idea of straight vegetable oil....but there are a couple factors hindering me. First of all....a gallon of diesel is cheaper than a gallon of svo. Secondly, I don't know anything about diesel engines, and lack the knowhow to fix any problems that are created by using the svo.



Waste vegetable oil is just too much work for me. The process of creating fuel from wvo would be much more feasable if you had a car that got 50 mpg....but at 8.5 miles per gallon in a bus, it's just not practicl.e
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Old 11-29-2003, 08:23 PM   #3
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Greetings,

Gas right now in the present skoolie I am converting.

It came that way and I can work on it!

Maybe a diesel pusher in the future?
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Old 12-31-2003, 12:40 AM   #4
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My choice is simple.....

I like gasoline rigs. I can work on them all day long....maybe not fix 'em, but I can work on 'em!



The difference in economy for as little as I operate my motor home makes a diesel impractical for me, given the much higher maintenance costs of the diesel. I have one diesle bus and two gas buses, and will be parting with the diesel rig pretty soon.
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Old 03-02-2004, 11:05 AM   #5
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I wonder if anyone has tried using biodiesel. In my skoolie dreams, I dream of using a clean fuel without too much conversion hassle; biodiesel might be the solution.



I was involved in alternative fuels with my employer - natural gas and ethanol. And the first skoolie I knew - my dad's bus - was a propane/gasoline switchable rig.



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Old 03-12-2004, 12:43 PM   #6
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Diesel

I use diesel,

In our 1st skoolie (a deisel) my wife was driving back from Washington state to Minnesota and filled it up by mistake with gas. We were blessed that she only got a mile or so down the road when the bus started to sound "Funny" she pulled over and figured out that she had put gas and not diesel. Had to tow the bus, drain the tank, but it started right up and she finished the trip.

Now in our new skollie when we drive into a gas station everybody yells "REMEMBER IT'S A DIESEL"
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Old 03-12-2004, 04:41 PM   #7
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using bio-diesel would work out a lot better in my opinion if you had a vehicle that was more fuel efficient. A diesel Volkswagon perhaps. VW has been making a small diesel enigne for years that gets around 50 mpg. If you only needed 20 gallons of biodiesel a month, that would be a lot easier and realistic than the amount of fuel a skoolie uses.



I can burn 20 gallons of diesel in just one nite of taking me and my friends out on the town.
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Old 04-05-2004, 07:39 PM   #8
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I'd luv to get into veggie oil for my diesel pusher...I've looked into it enough to know that its viable. While true that a bus takes a lot of fuel, most of my (anticipated) travels are fairly local, at least in the short term. The more folks that get into this market the more veggie fuel will be readily available (and cheaper). And besides, the whole point of veggie oil as alternative fuel is to reduce the consumption of petroleum fuels, so environmentally its more of an advantage to burn waste oil in a bus than in a small truck that's already fuel efficient. According to CNN, the price of a gallon of gas could reach $3 by the end of summer...

I'm a believer in the impact one little tiny bus has on the entire planet, I guess. My mileage may be minimal, but the symbolic impact is hard to measure. Plus I've heard that veggie fueled engines smell like french fries, which beats diesel exhaust any day. Mainly I like the challenge...

The theory sounds good. You start the engine using regular diesel and at some point open a fuel valve to a veggie drum, which acts as a secondary fuel tank.

I've heard a couple of 'buts': Newer diesel engines tend to be built with soft seals and hoses that are chemically compatible with bio-fuel. Not likely with my rig (the bus is a 1980 Gillig; the engine is a rebuilt Cat 3208 that was installed in 1998). So before any fuel system change I'd want a knowledgeable mechanic to look over and make the needed changes and/or assure me my engine is compatible. That's a lot to ask on a second-hand bus. According to Caterpiller literature a "B20" grade of biofuel (20% veggie/80% diesel) is compatible with all stock engines. "B100" (100% veggie fuel) isn't.

The other issue is the waste oil temp--the stuff gets quite viscous at low temps (<40F ?)...I've seen conversions that use the hot engine cooling water, but I'd need somebody to plumb that (or at least help me out).

Then of course you need to find some suitable fast-food grease outlets, which is the easy part...plus good P.R. for them if you do it right.

How to qualify, pump, and filter the stuff is minor, particularly in winter...also granted that pumping 20 gallons at a time could get to be a challenge...

Anybody with more info I'd love to hear it.
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Old 04-18-2004, 01:24 PM   #9
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it appears the vegetable oil conversion kit talked about on this site uses filtered wvo. Since Waste vegetable oil is free, and is not very labor intensive to filter, i'm seriously considering converting my bus.

There are conflicting reports on the net about engine damage due to the use of vegatable oil in a diesel engine.

I only paid 775 dollars for my bus, I think it's a pretty good engine to play with. If she suffers total thermo nuclear meltdown, I'll just buy another bus and start over. Wont take long to do the skoolie conversion since i have all the materials and tools. I could transfer all the "stuff" from my bus to a new one in a week.

I better think about the wvo for a couple days before i attempt the changeover. The idea is very attractive ! I don't need to buy a "kit", it seems simple enough to just do it myself.
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Well nuclear meltdown in my case wouldn't be a scenario I could live with. This is a sweet Cat V8 engine, very clean transit (school) bus; sort of a once in a lifetime find. Besides I'm aging every second it seems.

The kits out there do look pretty good, lots of potential. I'd get one in a heartbeat if I had a Rabbit diesel. But with the Gillig a little caution seems in order...

A lot to ask, but any info out there on the specific material compatibilities with WVO (Buna-M, Viton, etc) would be great, along with a list of suspect engine components i.e. seals, hoses, ??? I'm working on convincing my mechanic guru.
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