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09-08-2015, 06:18 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: WA
Posts: 31
Year: 1997
Chassis: International 3800 AmTran (wish it was a TransAm)
Engine: DT466E
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What might be holding the interior metal panels in?
Sorry if this has been answered - I searched the forums and could only find debates about whether or not to remove these panels in the first place.
Anyways, at the moment I am trying to remove the silver metal interior panels from my 1997 39' International Type C bus. I have either unscrewed or grinded off the stripped screws all visible hardware from the panels. I can lift up and easily fit my hand on the left, bottom, and right of these panels. The problem is, something is holding them in at the top.
See picture (not my bus - just some random picture I found on the internet):
- Red arrows - this is where the panels are stuck at. I have tried hitting one from the top with a hammer and it doesn't budge. I can't see any rivets/other hardware that might be holding them in. The top inch and a half or so is hidden under this little lip that is underneath each window.
- Blue Arrows: example of the lip that is holding them in. They are pointing to the top here because in this random picture I found it looks like the panels & that lip had been removed already.
What is left under this lip that is holding the panels in? Are they glued? Do I just have to remove that lip with the panel altogether or do I cut the top of the panels? I plan on scrapping these panels so I am not worried about damaging them. Any help would be appreciated.
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09-08-2015, 06:31 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario
Posts: 1,793
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: B3800 Short bus
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 36
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Is your bus fully International, or is it an International chassis with a Thomas body?
Mine is a 1997 Thomas and I ended up cutting at that point since I had no desire to reuse the panels. I can't remember if they were pinched under the window sill, or bent around the angle iron below the sill. Either way, they weren't coming out without first dismantling the window frames.
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09-08-2015, 06:33 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario
Posts: 1,793
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: B3800 Short bus
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 36
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Ah, I just saw in your profile that you have an AmTram. It's possible that they are built similar to Thomases in that respect, but I can't say for sure.
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09-08-2015, 06:34 PM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: WA
Posts: 31
Year: 1997
Chassis: International 3800 AmTran (wish it was a TransAm)
Engine: DT466E
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jazty
Is your bus fully International, or is it an International chassis with a Thomas body?
Mine is a 1997 Thomas and I ended up cutting at that point since I had no desire to reuse the panels. I can't remember if they were pinched under the window sill, or bent around the angle iron below the sill. Either way, they weren't coming out without first dismantling the window frames.
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I should have specified - mine is 1997 International 3800 with AmTran body. Good to know though. I don't want to dismantle the windows quite this early.
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09-08-2015, 07:22 PM
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Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NUNYA
Posts: 4,236
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: 3800
Engine: DT408, AT545
Rated Cap: 23 500 gvw
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If it is like my 1997 AmTran Genesis, they are help on by a spot weld. The panels that I did remove, I used a thick putty knife and pounded through the welds from the top in between the inner and outer panels.
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09-08-2015, 07:51 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 262
Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
Chassis: Amtran
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 71
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My AmTran was the same, use your angle grinder and cut them flush with the bottom of the window frame. Be careful not to cut too deep into the supports. Basically start at the end of a sheet and peel it away as your cutting that way you can tell when you've cut through the sheet.
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09-08-2015, 07:54 PM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario
Posts: 1,793
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: B3800 Short bus
Engine: T444E
Rated Cap: 36
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And if you're going to use an angle grinder inside the bus protect those windows!
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09-08-2015, 09:17 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 8,462
Year: 1946
Coachwork: Chevrolet/Wayne
Chassis: 1- 1/2 ton
Engine: Cummins 4BT
Rated Cap: 15
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Good advice Jazty. I doubt most folks realize those hot, metal "sparks" will pit glass instantly. And no...they won't buff out.
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09-08-2015, 09:19 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Chicago
Posts: 260
Year: 2003
Coachwork: Thomas
Engine: Cat 3126e
Rated Cap: 28
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Alb I have just run into the same problem aswell and posted about it on my build.
I think that I am going to end up testing using an angle grinder and seeing if that works but if not just going to get a pair of air shears and then end up grinding them smooth.
Still looking for a better way but have yet to figure out one.
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09-08-2015, 11:01 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Stony Plain Alberta Canada
Posts: 2,937
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: TC2000 FE
Engine: 190hp 5.9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 72
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The details of four methods of removal can be found in this thread, in the last few pages.
http://www.skoolie.net/forums/f11/re...s-11820-4.html
I don't feel like typing it twice.
Nat
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09-08-2015, 11:21 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 308
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Also not just the sparks from the grinder, but rather just a misplaced grinder itself will do wonders for those windows too.
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09-09-2015, 12:20 AM
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Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NUNYA
Posts: 4,236
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: 3800
Engine: DT408, AT545
Rated Cap: 23 500 gvw
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And safety glasses.
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09-09-2015, 12:33 AM
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: WA
Posts: 31
Year: 1997
Chassis: International 3800 AmTran (wish it was a TransAm)
Engine: DT466E
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My Solution
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09-09-2015, 02:08 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jazty
And if you're going to use an angle grinder inside the bus protect those windows!
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and your lungs!
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09-09-2015, 02:15 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Stony Plain Alberta Canada
Posts: 2,937
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: TC2000 FE
Engine: 190hp 5.9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 72
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Good job.
I wear my leather welding jacket and apron when using a grinder.
The wrong long sleeves will catch fire. I have seen this more than once.
Nat
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09-09-2015, 06:30 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 252
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Thank you Nat
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09-12-2015, 11:47 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Vacaville, Ca
Posts: 1,634
Year: 1988
Coachwork: Crown / Pusher
Engine: 8.3 Cummins
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
and your lungs!
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I wore a respirator when I gutted mine & completely plugged both cartridges,Literally could not draw another breath before changing them out.Also wore safety glasses & still managed to get a piece of metal in my eye
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09-12-2015, 11:58 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stu & Filo. T
I wore a respirator when I gutted mine & completely plugged both cartridges,Literally could not draw another breath before changing them out.Also wore safety glasses & still managed to get a piece of metal in my eye
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Sounds about right.
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09-13-2015, 08:38 AM
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New Member
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 7
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Hey I'm doing the same thing, do you have to remove the white panel below which has the lip? Or just leave that lip there and frame around?
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