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Old 03-03-2018, 07:53 PM   #1
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Whatís the BEST Blind Spot Camera/Sensor System

So in 42 days Iím going to pick up my 1980 Crown. CrownGuy is picking me up at LAX and taking me to the bus storage yard. (I canít believe how nice this community is) and then teaching me to drive and maintain said bus.

I want a top of the line sensor/camera system to tell me when itís ok to change lanes, and give me full awareness of my surroundings. I know I can use the mirrors, and I will learn to drive properly, but I want backup/redundancy.
What is the BEST system money can buy?
I would prefer a camera based system but if the best thing out there is some type of proximity sensor, then so be it.
I want accuracy and cost isnít an issue when it comes to safety.
Iíve looked online and I canít find what Iím looking for. I saw one system online once at camping world or the like, but now I canít find it.
Please help me!
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Old 03-03-2018, 09:34 PM   #2
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Great question, I am interested in the answer as well.
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Old 03-03-2018, 09:36 PM   #3
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So in 42 days I’m going to pick up my 1980 Crown. CrownGuy is picking me up at LAX and taking me to the bus storage yard. (I can’t believe how nice this community is) and then teaching me to drive and maintain said bus.

I want a top of the line sensor/camera system to tell me when it’s ok to change lanes, and give me full awareness of my surroundings. I know I can use the mirrors, and I will learn to drive properly, but I want backup/redundancy.
What is the BEST system money can buy?
I would prefer a camera based system but if the best thing out there is some type of proximity sensor, then so be it.
I want accuracy and cost isn’t an issue when it comes to safety.
I’ve looked online and I can’t find what I’m looking for. I saw one system online once at camping world or the like, but now I can’t find it.
Please help me!
I would say that mirrors are a fail-safe backup for cameras and fancy lane-change gizmos, not the other way round! If the outside mirrors are correctly adjusted you'll be able to clearly see everything on either side of you - Crown's West Coast style mirrors are big enough to always work well. There are several websites telling you how to adjust semi-truck mirrors, and Crowns' are set up similarly. However, the mirrors' adjustment brackets may well be corroded solid, in which case you'll just have to improvise something until you have time to replace them. Mine were rusted solid, so after trying to free them I gave up and instead made some new bracket tubes from stainless steel, much better than the originals.

I also have a Rear View Safety 770613 camera system - for me it's indispensable when backing into my parking space here, plus I can see what's behind me while driving and check my exhaust to see if it's smoking. It covers the entire width of the rear bumper and back about ten feet, and the monitor allows several different viewing configurations. It's not a lane-change system, but it can support extra cameras - I suppose it could be made into one.

If I absolutely MUST change lanes, for example when the right lane ends and merges with the second-right, I put on my left indicator in plenty of time to signal my intention, but sometimes some damn fool idiots still don't get it. If they're asleep at the wheel or engrossed with their godamn cellphone or being uncooperative/stupid/moronic, I just start slowly moving towards their lane; when they see the flank of a bright yellow bus creeping inexorably closer and closer to their car they get the message! And if all else fails, Crown fits very loud air horns to their buses, so a quick blast will always wake them up.

Make sure all your gauges work, especially oil pressure and coolant temperature. If your bus has a Detroit, take some spare gallons of 40-weight CF-2 oil with you, and maybe take some Dexron II or whatever your transmission and PS needs, and some distilled water for the batteries and cooling system. Inflate the front tires to 100 PSI and the rears to 90 PSI, and check their temperatures whenever you stop every hour or so, along with the hubs and wheels (to notice any hot bearings or dragging brakes). And as I've said here before, don't have the radio on. You need to hear exactly what's happening - most things give audible warning before they start causing problems or worse. Besides, what nicer than listening to a Detroit 2-stroke or a big Cummins singing its happy song as the miles melt away?

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Old 03-03-2018, 09:37 PM   #4
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So in 42 days Iím going to pick up my 1980 Crown. CrownGuy is picking me up at LAX and taking me to the bus storage yard. (I canít believe how nice this community is) and then teaching me to drive and maintain said bus.

I want a top of the line sensor/camera system to tell me when itís ok to change lanes, and give me full awareness of my surroundings. I know I can use the mirrors, and I will learn to drive properly, but I want backup/redundancy.
What is the BEST system money can buy?
I would prefer a camera based system but if the best thing out there is some type of proximity sensor, then so be it.
I want accuracy and cost isnít an issue when it comes to safety.
Iíve looked online and I canít find what Iím looking for. I saw one system online once at camping world or the like, but now I canít find it.
Please help me!
I was thinking of a system that had cameras and sensors plus a audio alarm...controlled by the turn signal switch...thought maybe use a PI mpu...

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Old 03-03-2018, 09:42 PM   #5
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I would say that mirrors are a fail-safe backup for cameras and fancy lane-change gizmos, not the other way round! If the outside mirrors are correctly adjusted you'll be able to clearly see everything on either side of you - Crown's West Coast style mirrors are big enough to always work well. There are several websites telling you how to adjust semi-truck mirrors, and Crowns' are set up similarly. However, the mirrors' adjustment brackets may well be corroded solid, in which case you'll just have to improvise something until you have time to replace them. Mine were rusted solid, so after trying to free them I gave up and instead made some new bracket tubes from stainless steel, much better than the originals.

I also have a Rear View Safety 770613 camera system - for me it's indispensable when backing into my parking space here, plus I can see what's behind me while driving and check my exhaust to see if it's smoking. It covers the entire width of the rear bumper and back about ten feet, and the monitor allows several different viewing configurations. It's not a lane-change system, but it can support extra cameras - I suppose it could be made into one.

If I absolutely MUST change lanes, for example when the right lane ends and merges with the second-right, I put on my left indicator in plenty of time to signal my intention, but sometimes some damn fool idiots still don't get it. If they're asleep at the wheel or engrossed with their godamn cellphone or being uncooperative/stupid/moronic, I just start slowly moving towards their lane; when they see the flank of a bright yellow bus creeping inexorably closer and closer to their car they get the message! And if all else fails, Crown fits very loud air horns to their buses, so a quick blast will always wake them up.

Make sure all your gauges work, especially oil pressure and coolant temperature. If your bus has a Detroit, take some spare gallons of 40-weight CF-2 oil with you, and maybe take some Dexron II or whatever your transmission and PS needs, and some distilled water for the batteries and cooling system. Inflate the front tires to 100 PSI and the rear to 90 PSI, and check their temperatures whenever you stop every hour or two, along with the hubs and wheels (to notice hot bearings or dragging brakes). And as I've said here before, don't have the radio on. You need to hear exactly what's happening - most things give audible warning before they start causing problems or worse. Besides, what nicer than listening to a Detroit or a big Cummins as the miles melt away?

Have fun, John
Mirrors are great but do nothing for the blind spots...and 4 wheelers love to cruise right in them...them gizmos can be set up to eliminate the blind spots

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Old 03-03-2018, 09:56 PM   #6
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I have NO blind spots on either side of my bus. I can clearly see everything from the front to the back, on both sides, easily. Blind spots are not unavoidable. I have Moto-Mirror 7-1510 mirrors with extra wide-angle round mirrors at their lower outside corners, and they are positioned according to advice I read on the BNO forum a few years ago.

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I understand your concerns, but if the mirrors are all present and adjusted you will be fine. Sure a backup cam is nice, and you should have one, but I felt the same way going into it and was amazed that I felt like bus visibility was better than in my Honda Fit. I agree that a bus does not really have blind spots. Only tricky thing is judging how far you need to pass before merging. Rear cam helps with that.
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Old 03-04-2018, 03:04 AM   #8
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blind spots.

What John said.

Properly adjusted mirrors don't have blind spots on either side, period. It's amazingly easy to learn to use them, and get comfortable with them. In the driver's seat of a Crown, You have a different sense of the size of it, You don't feel it's that big, and it truly has better visibility than a lot of various cars and vans.

Only blind spot is dead astern out about 20 ft or so. A rear camera covering this is not a bad idea, but professional drivers for years have lived without them, and always did a full walk around before moving the vehicle, and checking for stuff (luggage, for instance) under the tires before moving the vehicle. While driving, and doing a proper continuous scan of what's going on around you, you'll see him coming, and know what's directly behind you, and can wiggle the bus back and forth to see him in you MIRROR.

Continuous scan, Situational awareness, that's the ticket.

Mirrors don't short out. Mirrors don't need a reboot. Mirrors don't have a camera lens covered with mud or such, Mirrors don't fail unless they hit, or get hit by something, then you go buy a new Mirror for $50 bucks or so. Mirrors won't get fried in an EMP Pulse either....Mirrors ARE the fail-safe for ALL the other fancy electronic sensor gimcracks.

Oh, by the way, did I mention I'm a high technology kind of guy myself, but I still only want Mirrors on my bus. I'm kinda funny that way. So will you.
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:26 AM   #9
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this isnt really answering your question, but i found it odd, International has a new 2019 model semi and it doesnt have a single mirror, all replaced by cameras. i'd feel so vunerable driving that. I agree with the well positioned mirrors too, my side mirrors allow me to see both sides of the bus from front to back, as well as from the road to the ceiling. the two that are in front of those on the hood, allow me to see directly in front of the bus, and a wide shot of people in the other lanes. I also have 1 back-up cam in the rear.


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Old 03-04-2018, 06:06 AM   #10
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I have NO blind spots on either side of my bus. I can clearly see everything from the front to the back, on both sides, easily. Blind spots are not unavoidable. I have Moto-Mirror 7-1510 mirrors with extra wide-angle round mirrors at their lower outside corners, and they are positioned according to advice I read on the BNO forum a few years ago.

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That's cool because everyone I know does have blind spots...it's even in the TX DMV book...

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