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Old 01-04-2017, 06:33 PM   #1
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Question What States have the Best Buses to Buy?

Hey Skoolies,

I've been looking at different auctions online like Public Surplus and GovDeals but I need to know what buses from which states would have the least amount of RUST to worry about? From your collective experiences which ones should I be looking out for and are there certain School Boards that are likely to have those quality buses? I'm a Canadian and all we have here are rust buckets to buy lol salt from coast to coast. Thanks for your help.

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Old 01-04-2017, 08:00 PM   #2
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The easy choices would be:

California, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico, Texas etc.....

From what I have seen hanging out in the PNW is that vehicles here don't generally have significant rust issues. I bought my from Western Oregon and Western Washington and neither has any significant rust.

Talking to others I get the impression that Colorado and Utah buses tend to be relatively free from rust issues.
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On one auction for New York buses, they actually stated, "Rust issues: significant frame rot..."

Of course, it went for cheap. But I wouldn't recommend such a deal.
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The easy choices would be:

California, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico, Texas etc.....

From what I have seen hanging out in the PNW is that vehicles here don't generally have significant rust issues. I bought my from Western Oregon and Western Washington and neither has any significant rust.

Talking to others I get the impression that Colorado and Utah buses tend to be relatively free from rust issues.

Thanks PNW_Steve,

Are there auctions or website listings of those bus sales that you can point me to?
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Old 01-04-2017, 10:44 PM   #6
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Thanks PNW_Steve,

Are there auctions or website listings of those bus sales that you can point me to?
I bought mine on the www.govdeals.com auction site. Another with a good variety of buses is Public Surplus: Government Surplus Auctions.

I think that those two sites make up the lions share of online auctions.

I would also keep an eye on Craigslist and Ebay.

Go and ask your local school districts how they dispose of surplus. Some will negotiate and sell directly. We bought an '05 E450 cutaway from a private transportation contractor (First Students) who negotiates and sells directly. That one has 130k miles on it. Runs and drives great. We paid $2500.

If you find local buses you can get a MUCH better idea of overall condition than you can purchasing at a distant auction.

Interesting example: While shopping for the E450 we looked at another one that was offered on Public Surplus by a local district. It has some issues and we decided not to bid. An out of state bidder paid $4700 for it. We are fortunate that we went down and inspected it.

The one we bought from First Students we had the opportunity to inspect it and they even took us out on a test drive of sorts. We talked at length with the service manager and really got a good vibe on the level of maintenance that this bus had received.

My Bluebird was purchased on the GovDeals.com site "site unseen". I knew that it had some body damage. When I picked the bus up I found that the damage was a bit worse than the pictures showed. Not terrible and I am happy overall with the bus. Great drive train and it runs and drives fantastic. However, it demonstrates that buying long distance has it's risks.

Tell us more about what you are looking for and we can probably come up with more resources for you.

Lastly, keep an eye on the "Non-Affiliated Bus Sales" thread over in the classifieds.
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Old 01-04-2017, 10:50 PM   #7
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One consideration is Hill Ability". Buses from Colorado tend to have the gearing and retarders that make mountain country a little less white knuckle. Other than that...the desert SW is best for low rust. Just avoid the salted road areas.
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WA state has some of the most option rich minimum state spe'c of any state spe'c bus. A typical Type 'C' 12-row bus will cost between $10K-$15K more than an ID, MT, WY, or ND spe'c bus of the same size with the same power package.

In addition, up until the last few years WA never used any salt or deicing chemical during the winter so rust has not been an issue. Bad rust on a WA bus is when the black paint on the frame rails is no longer shiny.

Stokes Auction in Port Orchard, WA has five Blue Bird All American RE buses that will be auctioned at their next regular auction. They all appear to have luggage compartments (most likely pass through under the floor type), traction sanders, and 12" windows. Those three options tell me the buses most likely have big HP engines and while they may not have high highway speed gearing they will still most likely be able to cruise all day long at 60-65 MPH. They will most likely have the MD3060 transmission and if you can get the 6th gear unlocked you would probably be able to cruise in excess of 75 MPH.

I don't know which district owned these buses but if they came from North Kitsap SD or Central Kitsap SD they came out of fleets that are very well regarded for maintenance and spe'c'ing their buses will all of the bells and whistles.

In their November auction they sold four BB's. The highest bid was $2,400.00 for a 2002 and the other three sold for $1,400.00 a piece and they were 1998's.

I would expect the ones they have at this auction will sell for about the same price.

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I bought mine on the www.govdeals.com auction site. Another with a good variety of buses is Public Surplus: Government Surplus Auctions.

I think that those two sites make up the lions share of online auctions.

I would also keep an eye on Craigslist and Ebay.

Go and ask your local school districts how they dispose of surplus. Some will negotiate and sell directly. We bought an '05 E450 cutaway from a private transportation contractor (First Students) who negotiates and sells directly. That one has 130k miles on it. Runs and drives great. We paid $2500.

If you find local buses you can get a MUCH better idea of overall condition than you can purchasing at a distant auction.

Interesting example: While shopping for the E450 we looked at another one that was offered on Public Surplus by a local district. It has some issues and we decided not to bid. An out of state bidder paid $4700 for it. We are fortunate that we went down and inspected it.

The one we bought from First Students we had the opportunity to inspect it and they even took us out on a test drive of sorts. We talked at length with the service manager and really got a good vibe on the level of maintenance that this bus had received.

My Bluebird was purchased on the GovDeals.com site "site unseen". I knew that it had some body damage. When I picked the bus up I found that the damage was a bit worse than the pictures showed. Not terrible and I am happy overall with the bus. Great drive train and it runs and drives fantastic. However, it demonstrates that buying long distance has it's risks.

Tell us more about what you are looking for and we can probably come up with more resources for you.

Lastly, keep an eye on the "Non-Affiliated Bus Sales" thread over in the classifieds.

Thanks PNW_Steve, good advice.
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Old 01-05-2017, 01:59 AM   #10
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WA state has some of the most option rich minimum state spe'c of any state spe'c bus. A typical Type 'C' 12-row bus will cost between $10K-$15K more than an ID, MT, WY, or ND spe'c bus of the same size with the same power package.

In addition, up until the last few years WA never used any salt or deicing chemical during the winter so rust has not been an issue. Bad rust on a WA bus is when the black paint on the frame rails is no longer shiny.

Stokes Auction in Port Orchard, WA has five Blue Bird All American RE buses that will be auctioned at their next regular auction. They all appear to have luggage compartments (most likely pass through under the floor type), traction sanders, and 12" windows. Those three options tell me the buses most likely have big HP engines and while they may not have high highway speed gearing they will still most likely be able to cruise all day long at 60-65 MPH. They will most likely have the MD3060 transmission and if you can get the 6th gear unlocked you would probably be able to cruise in excess of 75 MPH.

I don't know which district owned these buses but if they came from North Kitsap SD or Central Kitsap SD they came out of fleets that are very well regarded for maintenance and spe'c'ing their buses will all of the bells and whistles.

In their November auction they sold four BB's. The highest bid was $2,400.00 for a 2002 and the other three sold for $1,400.00 a piece and they were 1998's.

I would expect the ones they have at this auction will sell for about the same price.

Stokes Consignment Auction - Vehicles


Perfect, I'll be checking those out, Thanks cowlitzcoach.
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